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#1
I got used to simply counting 5 notes from the root, but I realized this is a mistake since B/F is actually a flattened fifth not a perfect fifth.

So is it the case that we care more about the actual steps between notes rather than the tones?
#5
so I should just remember semitones and forget fifth = 5 whole notes maj3rd= 3 whole tones etc?
#6
Quote by ixelion
fifth = 5 whole notes maj3rd= 3 whole tones etc?


I have no idea where you got that information, but it's completely wrong.
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#7
let's use the major scale kids! (remember Whole steps are 2 frets and half are 1 fret)

Root, Whole, Whole, Half, Whole, Whole, Whole, Half, Root

soooo

B, C#/Db, D#/Eb, E, F#/Gb, G#/Ab, A#/Bb, B

meaning

Root = B

3rd = D#/Eb

5th= F#/Gb

7th = A#/Bb
Last edited by mp3stalin at Jun 7, 2008,
#9
lol I am retarded, I was always using Cmaj when counting even when the root was B.

thanks for the help mp3stalin.

the way you are looking at it is within a scale by degree.


yeah i see that mistake now.
Last edited by ixelion at Jun 7, 2008,
#11
Quote by GuitarFreak1387
the way you are looking at it is within a scale by degree.


*shrug* only way ive ever used.
#12
Quote by ixelion
lol I am retarded, I was always using Cmaj when counting even when the root was B.

thanks for the help mp3stalin.


no prob man. its actually what gave me the most trouble outa theory... it took my friend weeks to get me to understand
#13
Always remember you can never have the same letter in a key. You cannot have F and F# in the same key signature. F# has to be written as Gb if there is an F in the key signature.
#14
Quote by CowboyUp
Always remember you can never have the same letter in a key. You cannot have F and F# in the same key signature. F# has to be written as Gb if there is an F in the key signature.


but technically speaking isnt the name of that note considered "F#/Gb" not either or?

as far as ive heard, as long as you just stick with either #'s or b's it doesnt matter... it just is confusing to have both
#15
Quote by mp3stalin
but technically speaking isnt the name of that note considered "F#/Gb" not either or?
No. The notes have the same frequency and pitch, but they are used in different situations.

The key of B major will never have a Gb in it. You always write if F#. Ig you write it Gb, then you must write the G# as Ab and the A# as Bb and you can't have Bb and B in the same scale, you you have to go with F#.

On the other hand, they key of Db never has an F# in it; it is always Gb.
#16
Quote by mp3stalin
let's use the major scale kids! (remember Whole steps are 2 frets and half are 1 fret)
B, C#/Db, D#/Eb, E, F#/Gb, G#/Ab, A#/Bb, B

meaning

Root = B

3rd = D#/Eb

5th= F#/Gb

7th = A#/Bb

No, this is off. Your B major scale is B C# D# E F# G# A#. There are no flat notes in the key signature, and there's no arguing this fact.

Also, if your root is B, your major third is D#, not Eb. There is also no arguing this. Use the correct notes; just because the note has an enharmonic tone doesn't mean they're used interchangeably.
#17
Quote by :-D
No, this is off. Your B major scale is B C# D# E F# G# A#. There are no flat notes in the key signature, and there's no arguing this fact.

Also, if your root is B, your major third is D#, not Eb. There is also no arguing this. Use the correct notes; just because the note has an enharmonic tone doesn't mean they're used interchangeably.
Quoted for emphasis.
#18
Quote by :-D
No, this is off. Your B major scale is B C# D# E F# G# A#. There are no flat notes in the key signature, and there's no arguing this fact.

Also, if your root is B, your major third is D#, not Eb. There is also no arguing this. Use the correct notes; just because the note has an enharmonic tone doesn't mean they're used interchangeably.

Quoted for emphasis.

edit: HOLY SHIT!
#20
You people are making this needlessly complicated. Gb isn't the perfect fifth of B because B to Gb isn't a fifth, it's a sixth, and a diminished sixth at that. It has to be F# otherwise it's not a fifth, it's a sixth.
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#21
Okay, I'm going to try to explain the reason that it is F# instead of Gb in the simplest terms I can.

Let's write out our musical alphabet starting on B.

B C D E F G A

Let's count these out, shall we? Start on B, calling it "1."

B C D E F G A
1 2 3 4 5 6 7

Notice that the 5 is coupled with F. Because of this, we know that the fifth of B has to be some sort of F. We just don't know if it's F natural, F sharp, or F flat (yes, F flat does exist).

If you look at this interval on your fretboard, you'll see that unfortunately, B-F is a diminished fifth, not the perfect one that we want. However, this is an easy fix; just sharpen it once, and voila, a perfect fifth interval of B-F#.
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#22
The B be on the right side.
On the right side B the # keys.
It would be freaky or I'll have a brain fart or a hick up if I see
the rest of the designated notes as # then see Gb.
It's easier to read/process if it's uniform.


On the left side are the flat keys.

For the overlaps if u wanna use F#...then use the # symbol
If you use Gb then use the b symbol.

But if you where just jaming out with me and say lets
in the key of B, then you did a slip of the tounge and
say play a G flat note for a riff...I would understand
what pitch you want me to play...but I'm not like everybody.lol
I'll just be happy you know the notes on the fretbroads becuase
telling people to play this shap on this string, that fret gets old
after a while.lol
Last edited by Ordinary at Jun 8, 2008,
#24
Ordinary.... where are you from?

Are you from europe?

How old are you?

*Joins in*

Quoted for emphasis!
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#26
well , I figure all you theory buff would know or memoried the Circle of 5th.
The last I checked when you circle UP to the
right or clockwise...you raise the 4th of the current key to obtain the next
# note for the next key. B be on the right side

All of the keys listed on the right side dosen't have any # or b symbol
for the key name.


When cycling DOWN to the 4th, the note that's going to shift is the
7th...lower/flatten to obtain the next b
The keys listed on the left side have b symbols
with the exceptions of the key of F and the three overlap keys.

My music teacher made me memorized all of the # or b for all of the keys
but it didn't retain after a while becuase i have other subjects or matters
to learn and memorized..such as all the damn employees number of my
helpers
What i'm saying is memorizing the circle of 5th didn't really meant I comprehend
the circle of 5th or how it works or funtion.

There's memorizing and there's comprehension.
Last edited by Ordinary at Jun 8, 2008,
#28
I'm not even saying the way I comprehend the circle of 5th is the best way
but it's the best way for me to apply it...becuase i forget all of the # or b
for all of the keys after a while...and i got tire of memorizing it again and
again every other year.
So, I came up with a formular that will work which I had to analyed to
makesure.

well ....get over it dude...trust me, letters, grammers, speach dosn't
retain with me. I'm fully aware of it....You won't be the first and you won't
be the last to piont it out to me. You would think, i've read millions of
documents or hundreds of books. One would think, it would stick.lol
I work on it more than you think.

I was a special kid that had to take alot of speach therapy.lmao
My accent is not too bad....Actually some babes find it very sexy
And most of the chicks a go out wth are like walking,living dictionaries.lol
They can't add worth a damn....thou.lol
English is not my native or first langage

Not really sure why I have to explain myself.
But my native language has different rules ...such as the phrasing
are reverse to english. No past or present tense. No singular..ect
And the speach is not centered around aeiou.

And to answer your other question...
I'm reliving my childhood.lmao
And to further more explain why I type like a 12 year old gilr.lol
I recently got in touch with my femaine side
I don't take myself too seriouse anymore...becuase oneday
I was sitting at my desk...and I thought i was going to have a heart attack.lol
Last edited by Ordinary at Jun 8, 2008,
#31
Quote by :-D
You're making about as much sense as L. Ron Hubbard.


You just won.
Someones knowledge of guitar companies spelling determines what amps you can own. Really smart people can own things like Framus because they sound like they might be spelled with a "y" but they aren't.
#33
Quote by :-D
No, this is off. Your B major scale is B C# D# E F# G# A#. There are no flat notes in the key signature, and there's no arguing this fact.

Also, if your root is B, your major third is D#, not Eb. There is also no arguing this. Use the correct notes; just because the note has an enharmonic tone doesn't mean they're used interchangeably.


Quoted for emphasis.

The B major scale is a diatonic scale, therefore it is imposible for it to have flats (Bb and B anyone?)
Last edited by gonzaw at Jun 8, 2008,
#34
Quote by gonzaw
The major scale is a diatonic scale, therefore it is imposible for it to have flats

Was this sarcastic and I just missed it? I'm very confused by this statement.
#37
You're making about as much sense as L. Ron Hubbard
You honestly don't understand him?

Sorry, I missed the "the B major scale".....
You should edit the post with the mistake.
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#38
Quote by Ænimus Prime
You honestly don't understand him?

Over the last three paragraphs in particular, one idea has nothing to do with the next. Nothing he says is relevant to anything else, and it's very hard to follow. This isn't just due to grammar or spelling; it's just impossible to pick out any train of thought.
#39
^^^^^^
put the pipe away...man
You're reacting to your engrams because you're not a clear yet.lmao

You actaully thought when someone said that a major scale dosn't have
any sharps or flats...that somehow they're seriouse ???
That's funny !!!!
#40
Quote by Ordinary
You're reacting to your engrams because you're not a clear yet.lmao

What is this even supposed to mean?

Unless you're referring to the neuropsychological concept of an engram, in which case I'd be rather impressed.
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