#1
Hey guys I've been looking for a good "shred" guitar (instrumental like Petrucci and Gilbert- which is the genre I'm most interested in playing) that can also make some versatile sounds (Alt rock- Foo Fighters, Classic Rock- Zeppelin ACDC) I have between 600-800 USD and I've started narrowing it down a bit

So far these ideas are all on reccomedations and I havn't gotten a chance to try any out, so if i could get you guys' input it'd be greatly appreciated...

By the way, I'd be playing them out of my Cube 60, and after this summer I'll prolly pick up a tube of some sort, Its just that I'm stuck with a really crappy starter guitar until then. any way these are the guitars I'm thinking of trying...

Jackson DK2M- Sounds good from specs, and also affordable, 24 frets and passive pups

Jackson DXMG- Little higher price & looks a seems a bit better than DK, but I'm worried about the active pickups lacking tonal versatility.

Ibanez S470DXQM- Looks nice, middle of the range pricing, but only has 22 frets, and I hear that Ibanez Stock pups are muddy as hell.

(also, my friend is recomending a schecter, but he doesn't really know much about shred, and didnt tell me a model to look at so I don't know about that)

So far I'm thinkin the DK2M, but If you guys have any input it'd really be helpful. Thanks a lot.
Last edited by Hamburglekins at Jun 9, 2008,
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I didnt think ibanez was that great, but on some models the necks are really thin and great for shredding. But schecters are a great choice. Try to get one or their older models. The new stuff is ****. A damien would do nicely.
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Thats a great one too.
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ibanez rg 1570

great guitar


this one looks pretty nice actually... the only problem I had with the Ibanez in my post was the 22 frets...

Thanks for all the input so far guys, keep them comin, Ill be spending prolly three hours in the guitar store trying them all out though
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ibanez s series skeet on all other guitars for the price
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Alright guys Im goin to the guitar store this sunday, so I'll try out all your suggestions (well maybe no all of them in one sitting ) thanks so far but add anything else you think of
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the rg 1570 has 24 frets and has an awesome trem

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shred machine, that guitar.
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Any Ibanez S series will be just fine
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ibanez rg 1570

great guitar


+1

24 frets too
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+1

shred machine, that guitar.



Okay then I have some questions about this guitar... (RG-1570)

Can I play more than shred on it through my current amp (cube 60) and get a versatile tone?

Will i need to replaces the puck ups? and if I do what should I put in?
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^the sl3's a very nice guitar too. I know here it's a bit more expensive than the rg1570, but if it's a similar price in the states, it's worth a look too.


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Okay then I have some questions about this guitar... (RG-1570)

(a) Can I play more than shred on it through my current amp (cube 60) and get a versatile tone?

(b) Will i need to replaces the puck ups? and if I do what should I put in?


(a) yes, especially if you switch the pickups.

(b) that really depends on the tones you're after and your budget. I was after versatility too in my rg470 (basically the same thing except with a more crap trem) and i have a swineshead warthog, spotlight and condor in it- that's basically a medium alnico V hot bridge pickup (something along the lines of a dimarzio paf pro or tone zone, i guess), vintage style single coil, and alnico II vintage style neck pickup. I'd go for something along the same lines for your versatility needs, except i might go with alnico V and a little higher output in the neck pickup for better shredding. it is up to you, of course, and there's more than one way to skin a cat, as they say...
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(a) yes, especially if you switch the pickups.

(b) that really depends on the tones you're after and your budget. I was after versatility too in my rg470 (basically the same thing except with a more crap trem) and i have a swineshead warthog, spotlight and condor in it- that's basically a medium alnico V hot bridge pickup (something along the lines of a dimarzio paf pro or tone zone, i guess), vintage style single coil, and alnico II vintage style neck pickup. I'd go for something along the same lines for your versatility needs, except i might go with alnico V and a little higher output in the neck pickup for better shredding. it is up to you, of course, and there's more than one way to skin a cat, as they say...


Ah, whereas in my GRG170DX (an even worse RG haha), I went for a Warthog/Dragonfly/Runaway. Great versatility but a little punchier than your choices. Great pickups for the money
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^ yep, that'd be a nice selection for versatility, but a little more modern/harder with it. at the time i ordered, the pyro was the other alternative single coil, which was (if i recall correctly) very hot indeed, and really wasn't what i was after. I was probably more after vintage hot than vintage, but vintage was closer to what i was after than modern hot (as the pyro was, i think). went with the condor as i wanted a smooth lead tone as well as nice cleans...
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Good choices mate I did consider long and hard between the Condor and the Runaway, but eventually went with the Runaway. Still nice cleans, but a probably a bit better for gain than cleans. The Warthog is great though, ain't it. My RG seems stupidly heavy, so combined with the Warthog and my Orange Rocker I sort of get a typical Les Paul through a Marshall sound. Strange really.

Never heard the Pyro though, so I take that it was hotter than the Dragonfly?

Can't recommend Swinesheads enough.
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i think so, yeah. the pyro was well over 10k if i remember right (though resistance isn't the only measure- the kent armstrong single in one of my eggles is allegedly 7.5k, and it's extremely hot! ), and it might have been ceramic too (not certain though, it may still have been alnico V).

i think jon recommended i go with the condor, and it was the one with the nicest soundclips too, so i was kinda happy to go with it.

i need to wire them in again, lol, i'm so lazy it's not even funny...
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10k? Haha, that's a joke >.< I can only imagine that it'd be a great neck pup for a shred guitar, but pretty much die on it's ass for single coil cleans!

Haha, what's wrong with the wiring mate? I'm considering adding push/pull pots to mine, particularly the neck. Might make it more versatile...might stick in a killswitch while I'm at it too. Why not, eh?
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oh, i wired it up wrongly at the start, then the spotlight went microphonic (which swineshead fixed with no quibbles, which was very nice), haven't got round to wiring them up again...
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#31
Ibanez S5470, not just an S, but an S with 24 frets, makes the RGs cry...

but i tried the RG1570 very nice...not as good as the S5470 tho...
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Ibanez S5470, not just an S, but an S with 24 frets, makes the RGs cry...

but i tried the RG1570 very nice...not as good as the S5470 tho...



Lol thanks for the suggestion, buts its a little outta my budget :p

Thanks again guys, Im thinkin with all the praise its gettin here I'm def. gonna test out that RG now.
#35
evolutions set or a tone zone in the bridge and a air norton in the neck is an awesome combination for an rg 1570

great for shred and also very versatile
#36
In the end about how much is a good set of pick-ups gonna cost?

Obviously without knowing what type its kinda a vague question but just for an estimate?
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if you're in the USA you should be able to get an HSH set of duncans or dimarzios for under $200, i'd have thought. Maybe even $150.
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#38
Get the Ibanez S over the RG IMO, much more comfortable, better tremolo, looks better. Only downside is the 22 frets, but once you get used to it there will be no problem. Needs a pickup change too.
Oh and the Cube is awsome for a modelling aswell.