#4
Same notes in the scale, yes, but completely different functions. Ionian would give you a completely different vamp from Dorian. Also, the mode depends on the chord progression.
#5
Quote by ashgray
I was memorizing the 7 Modes of the Internet (I've forgotten them several times over the years) when I came along this:

Position 2: https://www.barrysbikebadges.com/FIFTYNINE.GIF
Position 1: https://www.barrysbikebadges.com/FIFTYNINE.GIF

According to this, Ionian and Dorian appear to be the same scale. Explanation?


I didnt know the internet had 7 modes.

Ionian and Dorian, are 2 different scales, each with their own formula and own unique sound.

The thing is they are all related, so they will appear as the same patterns on the neck, but with different tonics. don't let this confuse you though, they are not at all the same scale.


How well do you know your Major and minor scales?

I would recommend not working on modes until you have those down, and have an understanding of what modes are and where to apply them.

Most people get into modes too early, and often develop (and spread) misconceptions about them. I know the names sound impressive and all, but if you don't understand what they are, they are really of no use to you.
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#6
Well, you've been linking the same image. If you're positive you linked us the correct images, there's an error in the site you're visiting.
#7
Forget about modes. You need to become familiar with the major scale and diatonic harmony.
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#9
But in these diagrams, it show the same exact positioning and everything.

I fixed the links.
-ash
#10
Quote by ashgray
But in these diagrams, it show the same exact positioning and everything.

I fixed the links.


Yep, those diagrams are right.
You'll notice that the only diff is where the square box is -- that's the root note.
It's a bit more than that since if the root is different, then ALL the scale degrees
are different (an important distinction), but yes, they are in fact the same notes
irrespective of scale degree.
#11
Quote by ashgray
But in these diagrams, it show the same exact positioning and everything.

I fixed the links.



they are related, so they patterns will appear the same on the neck, except with the root in a different place.

C Major
-------------------------------------------------------------------7--8--10
---------------------------------------------------------8---10-----------------------------
------------------------------------------7--9----10-------------------
---------------------------7--9--10-------------------------
--------------7--8--10------------------------------------------------
-----8---10-----------------------------------------------


D dorian
-------------------------------------------------------------------7--8--10--
-----------------------------------------------------------8--10-------------------
----------------------------------------7--9---10--------------
---------------------------7--9--10---------------------------------------------------
--------------7--8--10----------------------------------------------------------
-----8---10------------------------------------------


* colored note = root

- same finger pattern on the neck
- different roots
- different formula
- different sound
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#12
^ Thanks for the visual! The problem was that I just assumed that the first note shown was the root note rather than the note(s) in the square, so thanks for the help, folks!
-ash
#13
Quote by ashgray
^ Thanks for the visual! The problem was that I just assumed that the first note shown was the root note rather than the note(s) in the square, so thanks for the help, folks!


NP, glad to help.
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#14
While it is helpful to think about scales as patterns with the root as the lowest note, every scale covers the entire neck. C Ionian and D Dorian contain the same notes, so naturally, they have the same pattern all over the fretboard.

Munky's TAB shows this for one position, but it works for all of them.

just assumed that the first note shown was the root
The notes lower than the root are given to show every available note in the position. The scale is still written root to root (D to D for D Dorian), however. In fact, if you're ever taking a test where you have to play a D Dorian scale, do not play every note in the position; only play D to D. So in Munky's TAB, play blue note to blue not or red to red, but not blue to red. In real music, though, you can do whatever you want.
#15
Quote by bangoodcharlote

Munky's TAB shows this for one position, but it works for all of them.


Thats true, it does, I only gave enough info to make a clear point. I think he got it.
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#17
Quote by :-D
Didn't even catch that, thank you for a laugh.


hehe anytime.
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#18
It's just playing towards the bridge or playing towards the nut.
Once you get familar with each the patterns...string them together.
If you try to connect the other 3 patterns, you'll notice it's the same.
It shifts up or down the string (vertical)

It's the same as making an open type chords or making bar chords.
#19
Quote by Ordinary
It's just playing towards the bridge or playing towards the nut.
Once you get familar with each the patterns...string them together.
If you try to connect the other 3 patterns, you'll notice it's the same.
It shifts up or down the string (vertical)

It's the same as making an open type chords or making bar chords.


Again?
#20
^ how freken complicated do you wanna make it ?
As if you never played an open C chord with your ring finger on
the root note (3rd fret A string)

Or making a C bar chord with your index finger on the same fret and string

wtf ??? the next thing is...the aerlian and the ionian looks the same


all you have to do is look up arpeggios charts or diagrams.
There's less dots but it's bascailly going to show you the same patterns.

woohooo...there's acataully freaken people taken time
to advertise about ORDINARY all over the forum.
i didn't thing people go to the trouble.lmao
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#21
Quote by ashgray
I was memorizing the 7 Modes of the Internet (I've forgotten them several times over the years) when I came along this:

Position 2: http://gosk.com/scales/major-scale-for-guitar.php
Position 1: http://gosk.com/scales/dorian-scale-for-guitar.php

According to this, Ionian and Dorian appear to be the same scale. Explanation?


If you're just looking at the patterns of where all the notes occur then all 7 modes are "the same"....for every key of the major scale you'll find the exact same pattern used for a corresponding key of the dorian, phrygian, lydian, mixolydian, aeolian and locrian. However, the scales themselves are all very different, they just happen to use the same notes.
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#22
Quote by Ordinary
It's just playing towards the bridge or playing towards the nut.
Once you get familar with each the patterns...string them together.
If you try to connect the other 3 patterns, you'll notice it's the same.
It shifts up or down the string (vertical)

It's the same as making an open type chords or making bar chords.


Que? This post makes no sense whatsoever. Either you're an idiot, or your thought process is very abstract.
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#23
Quote by Ordinary


woohooo...there's acataully freaken people taken time
to advertise about ORDINARY all over the forum.



LOL dude! Pretty nice of em isn't it.
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