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#1
Why is it considered metal? It doesn't really seem to have developed from the metal scene, it's extremely poppy, and it lacks so many qualities of metal. I really want to know why it is considered metal. Bands like Poison and Motley Crue seem about as metal as todays MTV pop rock scene.

P.S. I know there is glam forum, but I want the metal forums opinion so please don't move it.
#2
actually, on any self respecting metal site (this, metal archives, etc...) it's not.
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#3
Its not metal.
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I just want to know how it got the title glam metal.

honestly, it's cause people are stupid.
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honestly, it's cause people are stupid.

Yeah, people are just dumb. One of my friends gets upset when I tell him that Motley Crue and Poison aren't metal. He even said Poison was heavy.
#7
honestly i think it's because they had long hair and inserted guitar solos into their songs
#8
Cos it's awesome? Or maybe when those bands were prominent they WERE metal?
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#10
nu-metal isnt metal either
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#12
don't you know that heveee distorshun maykez u kewllllllllll!!! that was basically the mentality and because they had electric guitars, often with distortion, it was considered heavy and metal. but really, we know, oh we know.
#13
It just seems ****ing bizzare. I mean, I've seen genre mishaps before, but calling a band like Poison metal absolutely perplexes me.
#14
It's just plain not metal. It's pseudo-metal, far less metal than even a capella metal.
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honestly, it's cause people are stupid.

Pretty much.
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Poison are the Eagles of death metal.

lol
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#18
because kiss and the like generally looked like the "spawn of satan" when they were on stage, and metal was the genre of satan

the glam simply comes from the hair and makeup and over-use of costuming (alice cooper pulled it off though)
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Poison are the Eagles of death metal.

I was waiting for someone to get this joke out of the way.
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#20
some of the bands kinda came from the metal scene a bit.

Whitesnake and Scorpions were around in the 70's and were pretty close to the metal scene.

Motley Crue's were at one point identicle to W.A.S.P. and made similar music. The adopted their glam image on their second album.

And Def Lepard toured with Iron Maiden and their first album was more strait up metal release.

It was after other crappy pop-rock bands took this image and ran with it that we have Warrant, Nelson and Winger labeled as metal somehow. Its strange. i don't worry about it too much anymore since its a realized fact that Winger and Nelson suck, while the genuinely good bands (Van Halen, Def Leppard, etc) are still around. I genuinely don't like too much grunge but if there's one good about it, it killed that crap so i guess in some way, every metal head is somehow indebted to Kurt Cobain. (Its just an unfortunate side affect that ALL metal, thrash and the like had to go underground for a while in the 90's.)
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#21
well, it is obviously on a case by case basis...to a degree. While the vast majority isn't metal, i'm not denying that there isn't one or two actually metal bands among the bunch.
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I was waiting for someone to get this joke out of the way.
Dammit...I hate making the obvious joke.

As for glam, well it evolved out of the excessive stadium stuff of mid-70s metal but (looking back) lost the traits that made metal what it is in the first place.
#23
Protip: It isn't.

Most of it is just androgynous hard rock. Also it's terrible.
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, while the genuinely good bands Def Leppard


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Nnnnnnnnnnope.


okay i meant not complete crap...Def Leppard's good in bursts and on a much higher step than White Lion.
#26
good =/= metal
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#27
I always wondered the same thing. I think maybe because it was the heavier stuff back then.
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#29
This question can't even really be answered...

besides, I've always heard it reffered to as glam rock, or the even more appropriate, butt-rock.
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I think the only people who might think its metal are mid-40 aged women w/ bleached blonde hair and fringe leather jackets.

^ I would totally do that chick if I saw her at the bar!
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It was after other crappy pop-rock bands took this image and ran with it that we have Warrant, Nelson and Winger labeled as metal somehow. Its strange. i don't worry about it too much anymore since its a realized fact that Winger and Nelson suck, while the genuinely good bands (Van Halen, Def Leppard, etc) are still around. I genuinely don't like too much grunge but if there's one good about it, it killed that crap so i guess in some way, every metal head is somehow indebted to Kurt Cobain. (Its just an unfortunate side affect that ALL metal, thrash and the like had to go underground for a while in the 90's.)


Hey, I like Winger! Anyway, people lable "Hard Rock" as one of the "Metal Subgenres" so its official everyone, AC/DC = Metal
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Hey, I like Winger! Anyway, people lable "Hard Rock" as one of the "Metal Subgenres" so its official everyone, AC/DC = Metal

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I saw the hard rock thing on some metal documentary or something. I was really bored

And I have to confess that I like Winger
#33
Dude, I effing love Skid Row, especially Slave To The Grind (the whole album)

I also love Great White's song "Rock Me"

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#34
There was still heavy guitars, and if you listen to early stuff by Ratt, Quiet Riot, and Motley Crue, some of it is speed metal.
#35
I like some hair metal. At the time some hair metal sounded just as heavy as metal...
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#37
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correct me if i'm wrong, but weren't hair metal and thrash metal around at the same time?

Yes they were. That's why I find the whole "It was heavy for their time" arguement invalid. There was heavier stuff than it back then, so you can't say it was heavy for the time.
#38
it comes down to the whole nu-metal, metalcore kind arguments really, to people who listen to metal, it's not metal, but to people outside the metal community, it sounds like metal because they don't know much about it. So it is metal, just not accepted by the metal communtiy.
#39
and there were also traditional "heavy" metal bands like maiden and priest before it, so glam metal was softer than previous bands as well...
and i don't really consider skid row to be hair metal
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and there were also traditional "heavy" metal bands like maiden and priest before it, so glam metal was softer than previous bands as well...
and i don't really consider skid row to be hair metal

Yeah, one of my friends said that Kiss was metal because they were heavy for their time. I guess he forgot that Sabbath and Priest were around at that time too. Sabbath was even around before Kiss if I remember correctly.
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