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#1
I know there's a specified drug thread and everything but i think this topic transcends the scope of that thread and would probably just get lost among the inane babble.

Please note that the following text is often very pretentious. You have been warned!

I've been playing the guitar for 8 years now, and smoking weed socially for about 3 years. (never been a typical stoner type) Anyone here who smokes weed knows that it makes the guitar more fun to play, and also appears to noticably improve your rhythm and ability to get "in the zone". I've certainly known this since i started smoking weed. However, in recent months the combination of the two in my life has become so profound as to almost defy explaination due to the nature of the cognitive processes i experience. (see what i mean about being pretentious?)

If you're not interested in stupid **** like cognitive processes, this is the gist of it: The magic happens when i get a bit high* and start doing repetitive exercises with my eyes closed. If you smoke weed, go do this now! If you don't smoke weed, please don't start just because idiots like me think its fun. Instead, maybe try it without the weed and see if you can begin to spot any of the effects i desribe below.


It started when i began practicing for a long time every day back in february. Before then i just learned songs and improvised, never really doing exercises specifically designed to improve technique or musicality. Now, every day, i spend at least an hour doing such exercises (usually more like 2), all of which i created myself.

My method was quite simple:
1. Play something (anything, but preferrably a short riff) repeatedly until you begin to realise all the subtle reasons why you can't play it perfectly.
2. Slow the riff right down to a speed at which you can correct the imperfections in your technique, then gradually speed up until you reach the point where they arise again.
3. Notice why they arose again, then try and distill the essence of each of those reasons into exercises to play.
4. Do it all over again for each of the exercises you concoct.

I find that being a bit high* lubricates this process tremendously for various reasons. For starters, its literally impossible to get bored. I can play the simplest of riffs over and over again untill my fingers cramp up or the weed wears off. Next, it vastly increases my sensitivity to sound and touch when i have my eyes closed. A bit like being blind i guess. This helps my brain to connect the two senses in a cause-effect relationship of extreme subtlety, allowing me to see in detail how my fingers work with the strings to make sound. Also, the harder i concentrate, the slower time seems to pass so i can play fast complex stuff with greater accuracy.

Speaking of concentration, i find that weed really helps to understand how to go about concentrating. Its seems that the more i try to interfere with my thoughts, the more muddled (and therefore less concentrated) they become, so that trying to concentrate invariably fails. Describing how weed has taught me to concentrate is mostly impossible. Its just a state of mind that occurs when it needs to... The closest analogy i can think of is this: it's like stepping outside of your head and observing your thought processes and how they affect your body as if it was another person's body and thoughts. You just let it happen and watch, without letting the act of watching become a part of your thought process. This is commonly referred to as being "in the zone".

Finally, the most difficult aspect to describe: Musicality.
If you've ever gotten high and just sat and listened to a good piece of music, you'll know the effect i'm talking about. If you haven't, you wont. It's that simple. But for the benefit of those that haven't: music is a lot more special when high. That's about all you can say without sounding like a tosser.
Anyway, i've noticed that i can unlock (for lack of a better term) the reasons for this in an almost visual/spatial mental setting by (yep, you guessed it) playing a riff over and over with my eyes closed. These reasons are seemingly ineffable, and therefore extremely difficult to acknowledge in an intellectual way. The traditional method of descrbing how music affects our mental state (using emotive words) doesn't even scratch the surface.

So that's it. I've failed to aptly describe why cannabis make for better guitar learn.

bye.


*I say i get just a bit high because, as seasoned smokers will know, there's this line between the point at which your mind is agile enough to have a good long conversation with someone and the point at which sentences consiting of more than 10 words are impossible to decipher. I like to stay well below this line for sanity's sake and also because otherwise it's impossible to focus on a task for any meaningful length of time.
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#2
Quote by sumday
and also appears to noticably improve your rhythm and ability to get "in the zone".

It prolly seems that way to you. But to others your prolly playing ****

Meh, it makes me sleep and less concentrated so I will pass!
#3
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It prolly seems that way to you. But to others your prolly playing ****e
Yup...despite what you think, it probably makes your playing worse.
#4
Quote by sumday
appears to noticably improve your rhythm and ability to get "in the zone"


Therein lies the problem; chances are you're playing quite badly but either don't realize or don't care. Until someone can actually prove it, I refuse to believe that anything other than clear minded is the best state to practice in.
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#5
Nah, i've recorded while high and it always sounds just fine. This isn't alcohol we're talking about people. Weed doesn't mess with your judgement unless you smoke stupid amounts of it.
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#7
I can most definantly play music just as well while im stoned as I could sober.

However, I smoke weed on a daily basis, so it affects me completly differently than someone who say smokes once every few weeks. But I also can play the guitar on acid ( i just can't tune it, because every note sounds the same lol )

Whenever you alter your mind set, you might take the 5 notes in a penatonic scale and see them differently, because your mind set is altered, it is completly possible that it might give you different ideas, that in the end might be very creative.

MARIJUANA WILL NOT MAKE YOU GOOD AT THE GUITAR.

I understand the instrument, so no matter how ****ed up i am i can move my fingers in familuar ways and make it sound good. The only drug I do regularly that seriosuly impares my playing is alcohol, and even then i have to be like so ****faced i cant walk.

I'm also not your every day guitarist, or every day pothead. I've met many people who smoke a bowl and completly lose all sense of timing
#8
Ok, all very well, but now suppose you'd submit this theory to rigid scientific experiment.
First stay clean for a couple of days. Then record yourself while playing the most difficult song you can master. Next, light up a big one. Then record yourself once more playing the same piece.
Wait a few days and then listen to both recordings and count the mistakes. Let other people listen and compare and state their observations, without them knowing under what circumstances each version was produced. What would you find out then?
My prediction is that the stoned version would be judged worse, or that both versions are judged to be equally bad, and that it any feeling you have about performing better is just an illusion.

Now take this from an experienced pothead; illusions can be quite entertaining. Whether you go to a David Copperfield show and see the lady levitate, or have a stoned conversation with a good friend and feel like you're breaking new grounds in filosophy; as long as you're aware it's not real you're fine. But as soon as you believe Copperfield is a magician that really makes ladys fly, or that cannabis really makes you any better doing anything, your in the danger zone.
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#9
lol^^

it all depends on the person, marijuana is a lesser form of acid, it plays games on your ears.. music sounds alot better when you're high.
#10
I agree that weed probably makes you think that you're playing better but really it isn't.

However, if playing while your high lets you see your mistakes, helps you focus and you can get "in the zone" and enjoy it for long periods of time there is no problem with practicing while you're high. The problem is once you rely on Mary J to help you improve. As long as you understand that practicing while you're not high is likely to cause more improvement than while you are high I don't see any reason not to play while you're high once in a while, just to really get into it and enjoy it.

I just can't see how it would help you improve at all though.

When I draw artwork I get into the zone, my brain switches onto another path and I can stay engulphed in a drawing for hours. I can practice, improve, and enjoy what I'm doing. When I draw when I'm high I go through all the same process. However, once I'm NOT high and I look at these two drawings in comparisson the one I drew while high is deffinately a lot sloppier and just not as good of quality as the one I did while I wasn't high.
#12
im not gonna sit here and defend that weed makes you play better, only because i could give a **** if it does,

i dont play high to get better, i play high cause that **** is fun, and it doesnt seem like im doing bad to ME, and thats what matters,

so those are my thoughts, though a disclaimer, i usually play so high that 10 word sentences are too complex, as the TS mention earlier (gravity-bonging hydro will do that to ya, ask any stoner)
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#13
I think you hit the nail on the head when you said it prevents you from getting bored. That's exactly it. When you smoke, you don't think about other things while you're doing those practice drills. You could achieve the same effect with meditation. It's just clearing other thoughts from your head so you're solely devoted to what you're doing.
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#14
Only one(edit: two!) person(edit: s) here seems to have read the thread title. This isn't about whether or not weed makes you play better. Its about the fact that i find it to be a useful tool for learning and i am posting my thoughts on the subject here (an online message board for people learning the guitar) in the hopes that that someone would comment and share their opinion on the matter.

So thanks DeadVenusBlue. I agree with you on the drawing. I get proportions all messed up. However, i don't see why you think its impossible to learn something while high. I play high once or twice a week at the moment and those days are as fruitful, if not more fruitful than days i'm sober. I guess it's hard to be sure if the actual playing is helping me because progressing is such a slow process, but the things i randomly notice about my playing while high are definitely getting fixed over periods of days and weeks depending on how ingrained in my fingers they are. Let me put it this way: Looking back and gaugeing how far i've progressed over the past few months is extremely encouraging.
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#15
Well, I used to do this all the time. With weed and various other stuff. It can
definitely help you give you a different perspective. But, when you really take
an honest look at it, it has way more downside than upside. You'll come to
rely on your "magic beans" as always being able to pull off the magic, but they're
not very dependable in that regard. Drugs are a lazy person's way to get to
a state of mind that can be reached naturally. When you can do it naturally it
IS reliable.

So my advice to you is get what you can out of it while you can, but try working out
how you can get the same benefits without the need for external things. It'll
work out better for you in the long run.
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So my advice to you is get what you can out of it while you can, but try working out
how you can get the same benefits without the need for external things. It'll
work out better for you in the long run.

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#17
I didn't bother reading the wall of stoner-addled text, the title was enough.

Cannabis isn't going to help you learn or do anything other than giggle at squirrels and consume large quantities of pringles.

Quote by sumday
Nah, i've recorded while high and it always sounds just fine. This isn't alcohol we're talking about people. Weed doesn't mess with your judgement unless you smoke stupid amounts of it.


I've got news for you, that's EXACTLY what it does. That's a textbook case of stoner denial you've got there, best snap out of it before you screw your entire life up.
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#18
I agree with edg and Steve Seagull. That sh!t will make your dreams go up in smoke. Weed makes you lazy and you'll be sitting on your couch all day when you should be practicing or working on something. I know a great guitarists who smokes 3 times a day and it's just so sad to see all that potential being wasted by bad habits. "I'll get those tracks recorded and send them off to the drummer...after I smoke this bowl."
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#19
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i dont play high to get better, i play high cause that **** is fun, and it doesnt seem like im doing bad to ME, and thats what matters

If you plan on playing to audiences, see exactly how far that attitude gets you.

Suggesting that being high improves your playing is pretty ridiculous; just play the instrument.
#20
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If you plan on playing to audiences, see exactly how far that attitude gets you.

Suggesting that being high improves your playing is pretty ridiculous; just play the instrument.


oh i agree, i would never perform under the influence at all, but if im in my bedroom, by myself, and playing high makes me enjoy it more, is there any harm there?
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oh i agree, i would never perform under the influence at all, but if im in my bedroom, by myself, and playing high makes me enjoy it more, is there any harm there?

To your health, yes, but in terms of the perception of the playing then no.
#22
For me, weed actually makes it HARDER to practice. I usually end up writing a bizarre song about biscuits or something, and then spend about 3 hours going back and forth between the kitchen, bedroom, and bathroom.
#23
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For me, weed actually makes it HARDER to practice. I usually end up writing a bizarre song about biscuits or something, and then spend about 3 hours going back and forth between the kitchen, bedroom, and bathroom.


LOL, quote worthy, I'd put it to my sig if it wasn't for the good one I have on there right now. I think I'll change it to that one later.
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#25
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Jimmy = LSD man, not weed.


Anything other than weed and/or alcohol is a BIG mistake kiddies. When I was in high school and college I had several chances to try coke at parties, never did...I was
always too chicken (or smart?). Weed? That's a whole differant story.

Chris
#26
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Anything other than weed and/or alcohol is a BIG mistake kiddies. When I was in high school and college I had several chances to try coke at parties, never did...I was
always too chicken (or smart?). Weed? That's a whole differant story.

Chris

You were smart not to do coke. It's easily the worst drug I've ever tried. Imagine your heat feeling like it's going to explode out of your chest for four hours and your eyes feeling like they're going to jump out of your head (to the point where you're actually holding them in). There was absolutely nothing I could do to make it stop. It was horrible.

I think you're missing the ball, though. Pot and alcohol are both still drugs, and no different in that regard. Every drug is vastly different in its effects, especially from person to person. Personally, acid and shrooms are the best things I've ever put into my body, and I would recommend it to anyone, young or old.

This is not the place for this debate, though. Bottom line, drugs effect people in different ways. There's no way to compare the experience of one to the experience of another. Does the threadstarter have a valid point? Doubt it, mostly because he sounds like a jackass. I'm not about to say it's impossible, though.
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#27
pretty biast opinions in here....i cant play a gig unless im fried outah my dome...every1 has a different reaction to it...so to say that it doesnt help at all is pretty ignorant...like sure for some people itll make u sound like ****...but ive been smokin weed for 11 years now and playing guitar for about a year and a half...and to tell u the truth i never woulda got this far without it...it gives me the patience concetration and endurance....say what u want...but i sound like **** when im sober....and pretty much every artist was baked fried drunk trippin balls when they made up there best stuff....jimi hendrix....dave mustain....jimmy paige....david gilmour....so if all these greats are wrong i dont wanna be right
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#28
I've found a way for myself to get alot better using alcohol - though not actually playing while inebriated.
Im in High School, and every weekend i work saturdays to earn myself $50
so, instead of spending money on material pleasures such as movies, video games books or whatnot, i get a bottle of jim beam, and a a deck of cigarettes, and go out on saturday night and get pissed with friends or strangers.
because i have nothing at home to distract me, all i do is play guitar, and wait for the weekend, and since i implemented this system, my playing has increased tenfold over a few months.

hey, works for me.
#29
Quote by blayzin420
pretty biast opinions in here....i cant play a gig unless im fried outah my dome...every1 has a different reaction to it...so to say that it doesnt help at all is pretty ignorant...like sure for some people itll make u sound like ****...but ive been smokin weed for 11 years now and playing guitar for about a year and a half...and to tell u the truth i never woulda got this far without it...it gives me the patience concetration and endurance....say what u want...but i sound like **** when im sober....and pretty much every artist was baked fried drunk trippin balls when they made up there best stuff....jimi hendrix....dave mustain....jimmy paige....david gilmour....so if all these greats are wrong i dont wanna be right

That's called dependancy. It means you're a jackass that can't say when enough is enough.

Enjoy your carcinogens and lung problems (smoke from pot contains around 50 to 70% more carcinogens than cigarette smoke, and this is coming from a smoker of both).

Edit: and it seems that marijuana doesn't improve your writing ability in the least. Maybe you shouldn't have been baked on the day of school that they taught the class how to form a complete sentence.
Sincerely, Chad.
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lmao u dumbass learn ur facts....theres over 4000 chemicals in a ciggarette and only 1 in pot...Tetrahydrocannibinol....there has never been a case of an only cannibis person gettin lung cancer...im jus not a dumbass like u and smoke cigarettes....and hell ya i love smoking weed...i werk everyday as an electrician i have gigs on weekends...i got my own condo(not payed off yet)...a beautiful girlfriend and a half decent eclipse...im not dependent on ne thin i werk hard i smoke hard....what the hell have you done with ur life?

Edit: im not here to impress you with my writing....im not writing u an essay dont get all mad cause you can type proper but still dont know what the hell your talkin about
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Sweep picking after only 1 year of playing? O_o
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lmao u dumbass learn ur facts....theres over 4000 chemicals in a ciggarette and only 1 in pot...Tetrahydrocannibinol....there has never been a case of an only cannibis person gettin lung cancer...im jus not a dumbass like u and smoke cigarettes....and hell ya i love smoking weed...i werk everyday as an electrician i have gigs on weekends...i got my own condo(not payed off yet)...a beautiful girlfriend and a half decent eclipse...im not dependent on ne thin i werk hard i smoke hard....what the hell have you done with ur life?

Edit: im not here to impress you with my writing....im not writing u an essay dont get all mad cause you can type proper but still dont know what the hell your talkin about

Professional writer at 18, published in 27 literary journals world-wide.

Also, I realized my mistake. There was a study I read that showed an inconclusive correlation between marijuana smoke and lung cancer, but nothing was proven. For lack of better evidence, you can still enjoy emphysema, which has been proven to be caused by the carcinogens produced by burning pot smoke. Just because there is one active chemical in marijuana doesn't mean that burning it doesn't release a number of poisons.

I am a marijuana smoker, but at least I realize that it's not good for me. If you're going to have a filthy habit, own up to it, dumbass.

Edit: I'm also a professional instrument repair technician, specializing in custom saxophone work.
Sincerely, Chad.
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#33
I smoked for a yrear and a half when I started playing. It helps you get into the zone and accept the ****ty music your playing. If i didnt smoke i would never had the patience to play for 12 hours strait and skip out on everything else i had to do. I stoped smoken a while ago.. well i guess i do rarly but.. for the most part not smoking i have more control over my vocals and the "cleaness" of guitar. I agree that it helps you focus and get into playing guitar more and does help allow your brain to comprehend the structure and meaning of rythem. But i feel once you learn guitar you can play better sober. that isnt to say i come up with some good riffs and licks when im blazed. Inspritionaly its a totatly differnt story.

my 2 cents lol..
#34
Quote by RounderIII
I wouldn't because your not going to be high all the time...


I agree with this. If you necessitate an altered state of consciousness to be able to perform, then you have no practical ability or skill.
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#35
i didnt say it was friggin vitamins...and the tests were conclusive.....and thats not even what this whole thing was about in the first place...lets get back on topic....all i was saying is marijuanas my muse and i dont think i could play as well without it....not a dependency thing as more of a preference....congrats on the writing dude...but unless its high times or penthouse i dont care lmao
my gear lol:
a crappy cheap aria pro II
a patch chord that only werks when i jiggle it
and a pure static amp
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You can play Classical Gas after a year? I think we have a prodigy on our hands.

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Sweep picking after only 1 year of playing? O_o
#36
Quote by blayzin420
i didnt say it was friggin vitamins...and the tests were conclusive.....and thats not even what this whole thing was about in the first place...lets get back on topic....all i was saying is marijuanas my muse and i dont think i could play as well without it....not a dependency thing as more of a preference....congrats on the writing dude...but unless its high times or penthouse i dont care lmao

You're proof that it's a dumb idea to need pot to be able to function. As long as its illegal, you're going to spend a greater part of your lifetime sober than you are high. If you lack the motivation or will to benefit from hard work and determination, then you're a substandard person and should be ashamed for wasting the greater part of your sober life.

Hell, am I the only druggie with a conscience and sense of self-awareness?
Sincerely, Chad.
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#37
lmao what the hell are you talkin about...ur not even makin sense ur jus babbling now...i jus said i play guitar better baked...dont make up all these crazy conclusions cause ur mad you got prooved wrong....i never said how often i smoked weed...ur a waste of space on this forum and a waste of air in life
my gear lol:
a crappy cheap aria pro II
a patch chord that only werks when i jiggle it
and a pure static amp
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You can play Classical Gas after a year? I think we have a prodigy on our hands.

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Sweep picking after only 1 year of playing? O_o
#38
Quote by blayzin420
lmao what the hell are you talkin about...ur not even makin sense ur jus babbling now...i jus said i play guitar better baked...dont make up all these crazy conclusions cause ur mad you got prooved wrong....i never said how often i smoked weed...ur a waste of space on this forum and a waste of air in life

My point is that you shouldn't play better when you're baked. In fact, you should use it as motivation to get just as good when you're sober. Otherwise, you're just a disgrace to human beings as a whole. There is no honor in taking the easy path.

You haven't proven me wrong, yet. In fact, I seriously doubt your ability to do so. If you can't form a complete sentence, you have no right to attempt to lecture me on matters of fact and opinion.
Sincerely, Chad.
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#39
hey i was jus tryin to shut-up these anti-drug nazis....and why do i have to play sober?....why do u declare what i do with my life?....ur not a doctor or a prfessional rock star...so next time if i want ur opinion on what i should do with my life ill ask for it...so **** u and have a nice day ;-)
my gear lol:
a crappy cheap aria pro II
a patch chord that only werks when i jiggle it
and a pure static amp
Quote by Ichimaru
You can play Classical Gas after a year? I think we have a prodigy on our hands.

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Sweep picking after only 1 year of playing? O_o
#40
Quote by blayzin420
hey i was jus tryin to shut-up these anti-drug nazis....and why do i have to play sober?....why do u declare what i do with my life?....ur not a doctor or a prfessional rock star...so next time if i want ur opinion on what i should do with my life ill ask for it...so **** u and have a nice day ;-)

You're the reason that adult abortions should be legal. By using a chemical to enhance your performance, you're disgracing human advancement and setting it back hundreds of years. You clearly lack any willpower and determination of your own, and such things should not be tolerated in a civilized society. Thank you for proving my point.

Edit: somehow, you remind me of Mark Discordia, the most aptly-named man in history.
Sincerely, Chad.
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