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#1
this is only for christians who think that being baptised as a baby is all they need, i was when i was very very very very young to, but i also was in 2004 when i was like 12.

The verse in the book of acts chapter 2 verse 38
"Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost."

You have to repent first.
another word for repent is apologize
a baby cannot apologize because first off, it has done nothing wrong and second off, apologizing is a decision. babies cannot make decisions because they are too young
i probably spelt 1 000 000 things wrong in this post, so cry a river
#3
Well you're missing the point in this day and age. Baptism actually is done when you're a baby so you are bound to whichever religion you are baptized under. While a person has free choice, they can decide whether or not to renounce their faith when they get older, or simply stay baptized as a [insert religion]. It's basically a ploy by the religious institution. Baptism is basically a formality in today's society having no actual significance like it did in the Bible. Baptism is just to keep the number of people of a religion at a constant.
#4
Lutherans

Lutherans practice infant baptism because they believe that God mandates it. They adduce biblical passages such as Matthew 28:19, Mark 10:13-15, 16:16, John 3:3-7, Acts 2:38-39, and Ephesians 6:4 in support of their position. For them baptism is a "means of grace" through which God creates and strengthens "saving faith" as the "washing of regeneration" (Titus 3:5) in which infants and adults are reborn (John 3:3-7): "baptismal regeneration." Since the creation of faith is exclusively God's work, it does not depend on the actions of the one baptized, whether infant or adult. Even though baptized infants cannot articulate that faith, Lutherans believe that it is present all the same. Because it is faith alone that receives these divine gifts, Lutherans confess that baptism "works forgiveness of sins, delivers from death and the devil, and gives eternal salvation to all who believe this, as the words and promises of God declare." In the special section on infant baptism in his Large Catechism Luther argues that infant baptism is God-pleasing because persons so baptized were reborn and sanctified by the Holy Spirit.

Methodists

Methodists contend that infant baptism has spiritual value for the infant. John Wesley, the founder of Methodism maintained the Anglican view that baptism regenerates the infant. He listed several ways that infants benefit from baptism:

* The guilt of Original Sin is removed.
* They gain admission into the Church.
* Their standing before God is changed from one under condemnation to a child of God.

However, Wesley's own views of infant baptism seem to shift over time as he put more and more emphasis on salvation by faith and new birth by faith alone. This has helped to fuel much debate within Methodism over just what infant baptism does, though almost all are agreed it should be continued.

Infant baptism is particularly illustrative of the Methodist doctrine of prevenient grace. The principle is that The Fall of Man ruined the human soul to such an extent that nobody wants a relationship with God. In order for humans to even want to be able to choose God must empower their will (so that they may choose Christ) which he does by means of prevenient grace. Thus God takes the very first step in salvation, preceding any human effort or decision. Methodists justify infant baptism by this principle of prevenient grace, often arguing that infant baptism is God's promise or declaration to the infant that calls that infant to (eventually) believe in God's promises (God's Word) for salvation. When the individual believes in Jesus they will profess their faith before the church, often using a ritual called confirmation in which the Holy Spirit is invoked with the laying on of hands. Methodists also use infant baptism symbolically, as an illustration of God approaching the helpless. They see the ceremony additionally as a celebration of God's prevenient grace.

Presbyterian and Continental Reformed churches

Presbyterian and Reformed Christians contend that baptism is not a mere symbol, but actually conveys grace. The grace it conveys, however, is not justifying grace. It may convey sanctifying grace or some other kind of grace. Baptism, according to this tradition, does not produce Christians, but it identifies the child as a member of the covenant community. Some adherents of the Federal Vision theology disagree, however, regarding instead a Christian as one who is a member of the covenant community. Yet all would agree that being a member of the covenant community does not guarantee salvation; though it does provide the child with many benefits, including that of one's particular congregation consenting to assist in the raising of that child in "the way he should go, [so that] when he is old he will not turn from it".

Presbyterian and many Reformed Christians see infant baptism as the New Testament form of circumcision in the Jewish covenant (Joshua 24:15). Circumcision did not create faith in the 8-day-old Jewish boy. It merely marked him as a member of God’s covenant people Israel. Likewise, baptism doesn’t create faith; it is a sign of membership in the covenant community.

Presbyterian and Reformed Christians consider children of professing Christians to be members of the visible Church (the covenant community). They do not necessarily consider them to be members of a particular church (a local congregation), nor of the universal Church (the set of all true believers). A profession of faith is required for the former, and true faith is required for the latter.
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Well you're missing the point in this day and age. Baptism actually is done when you're a baby so you are bound to whichever religion you are baptized under. While a person has free choice, they can decide whether or not to renounce their faith when they get older, or simply stay baptized as a [insert religion]. It's basically a ploy by the religious institution. Baptism is basically a formality in today's society having no actual significance like it did in the Bible. Baptism is just to keep the number of people of a religion at a constant.

now a days sadly yes, but in the bible it says the meening to repent of ur sins and u will be forgiven, but i see what u meen
#6
They are apologizing for the babies birth I guess you could say. Isn't sex the original sin? if so, that is what the baby i repenting for by being baptized.
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#7
Arguments for infant baptism

Paedobaptists do not completely agree on the reasons for baptizing infants, and offer different reasons in support of the practice. Among the arguments made in support of the practice are:

Argument based on parallel with circumcision

Some supporters of infant baptism argue that circumcision is the sign of the covenant God made with Abraham and should be received by all the members of his covenant. The children of members of Abraham's covenant are themselves members of Abraham's covenant[. Christians are members of Abraham's covenant Therefore, the children of Christians are members of Abraham's covenant. Since baptism is the New Testament form of circumcision, the children of Christians should receive the sign of the covenant by being baptized.

Covenant theology

Presbyterian and Reformed Christians base their case for infant baptism on Covenant theology. Covenant theology is a broad interpretative framework used to understand the Bible. Reformed Baptists are Reformed yet, as their name suggests, adhere to Believers Baptism.

According to Covenant theology God makes two basic covenants, or agreements, with humans. The first one, the Covenant of Works is an agreement that bases man’s relationship with God on human obedience and morality. The covenant was made with Adam in the Garden of Eden. Adam and Eve broke this covenant so God replaced it with a second more durable covenant--- the Covenant of Grace. The Covenant of Grace is an agreement that bases man’s relationship with God on God’s grace and generosity. The Covenant of Works failed because it was based on human performance. The Covenant of Grace is durable because it is based on God’s performance.

All the covenants that God makes with humans after the Fall, (e.g. with Abraham, Moses, and David) are really just different forms of the Covenant of Grace. They may appear to be different but are fundamentally the same covenant. The underlying Covenant of Grace stays the same even though the external forms changes. Consequently, Covenant theologians see in Old Testament Israel the people of God (the church) before Christ was born. For the Covenant theologian, therefore, there is only one people of God - the church.

According to Presbyterian and Reformed Christians, this theological framework is important to the Biblical case for infant baptism because it provides a reason for thinking there is strong continuity between the Old and New Testaments. It provides a bridge linking the two Testaments together.

Covenant Theologians claim that the New Testament book of Hebrews demonstrates that much of Israel's cultic worship has been replaced by the person and work of Christ. The result is that some important forms of worship in the Old Testament have New Testament equivalents. The Passover festival, for example, was replaced by the Lord's Supper (or Eucharist).

It is across the bridge of Covenant Theology that the sign of Abraham’s covenant, circumcision, walks into the New Testament. The sign of the Covenant changes its external form to reflect new spiritual realties. It was a bloody sign in the Old Testament but because Christ has shed his blood, it has been transformed into a bloodless sign, i.e. washing with water. Passover was a bloody form of Old Testament worship and also transitions into the New Testament in the bloodless form of bread and wine.

Covenant theologians point out that the external sign of the covenant in the Old Testament was circumcision. Circumcision was performed upon the male children of Israelites to signify their external membership in God's people, not as a guarantee of true faith; the Old Testament records many Israelites who turned from God and were punished, showing that their hearts were not truly set on serving God. So while all male Israelites had the sign of the covenant performed on them in a once off ceremony soon after birth, such a signifier was external only and not a true indicator of whether or not they would later exhibit true faith in Yahweh.

In the New Testament, circumcision is no longer seen as mandatory for God's people. However there is compelling evidence to suggest that the Old Testament circumcision rite has been replaced by baptism. For instance: "In Him you were also circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, by putting off the body of the sins of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ, buried with Him in baptism." (Colossians 2:11-12a)

Some paedobaptists, then, think the analogy of baptism to circumcision correctly points to children, since the historic Israelite application of circumcision was to infants, not to adult converts, of which there were few. Covenant theology, then, identifies baptism less as statement of faith than as an assumption of identity; that is to say that infant baptism is a sign of covenantal inclusion.

Corroborating evidence

Paedobaptists point to a number of passages in the New Testament which seem to corroborate the above argument.

Household baptisms


In the Old Testament, if the head of a household converted to Judaism, all the males in the house, even the infants, were circumcised. Paedobaptists argue this pattern continues into the New Testament. Reference is made, for example, to baptizing a person and their whole household – the households of Lydia, Crispus, and Stephanas are mentioned by name Acts 16:14-15, 18:8; 1 Cor 1:16.

Paedobaptists challenge credobaptists on this point: Why would a whole household be baptized just because the head of the house had faith? Shouldn’t they baptize each member of the family as they come to individual faith? Household baptism implies that the rules for membership in Abraham's covenant have continued into the New Testament, the main difference is the sign of the covenant.

Credobaptists counter with verses such as John 4:53, Acts 16:34 and Acts 18:8 in which entire households are said to have "believed". As such, the paedobaptist assumption is that household baptisms mentioned in the Bible involved infants, presumably incapable of personal belief.

Original sin

Paedobaptists also point to Psalm 51, which reads, in part, "surely I was sinful from birth," as indication that infants are sinful (vid. original sin) and are thus in need of forgiveness that they too might have salvation.

Credobaptists would admit that infants are in need of salvation but paedobaptists push the point a step further by arguing that it makes no theological sense for infants to need salvation but for God to make no provision for them to be saved. Some Credobaptists who agree to the Psalm 51 interpretation, argue that even though infants are sinful they are not accountable, because of the "age of accountability". Although many theologians would argue that an "age of accountability" is nowhere mentioned in the Bible.

An alternative viewpoint of some credobaptists is that since all Christians are predestined to salvation (John 15:16, 1Cor 1:27, Eph 1:4, 1Pet 2:4), God will not allow His elect to die before receiving their need, even if they are in old age (Luke 2:25-35), an argument whose relation to baptism whether of infants or adults is unclear, unless it means that infants who die without coming to explicit belief and baptism are not among God's elect.

Peter's Speech


According to the Book of Acts in the New Testament, Peter declared in his sermon to the Jews that they should all be baptized. They and their children, and everyone whom God calls, no matter how far away.
Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. The promise is for you and your children and for all who are far off–for all whom the Lord our God will call.” (Acts 2:38-39, NIV)
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Lutherans practice infant baptism because they believe that God mandates it. They adduce biblical passages such as Matthew 28:19, Mark 10:13-15, 16:16, John 3:3-7, Acts 2:38-39, and Ephesians 6:4 in support of their position. For them baptism is a "means of grace" through which God creates and strengthens "saving faith" as the "washing of regeneration" (Titus 3:5) in which infants and adults are reborn (John 3:3-7): "baptismal regeneration." Since the creation of faith is exclusively God's work, it does not depend on the actions of the one baptized, whether infant or adult. Even though baptized infants cannot articulate that faith, Lutherans believe that it is present all the same.[27] Because it is faith alone that receives these divine gifts, Lutherans confess that baptism "works forgiveness of sins, delivers from death and the devil, and gives eternal salvation to all who believe this, as the words and promises of God declare."[28] In the special section on infant baptism in his Large Catechism Luther argues that infant baptism is God-pleasing because persons so baptized were reborn and sanctified by the Holy Spirit.[29]

[edit] Methodists

Methodists contend that infant baptism has spiritual value for the infant. John Wesley, the founder of Methodism maintained the Anglican view that baptism regenerates the infant. He listed several ways that infants benefit from baptism:

* The guilt of Original Sin is removed.
* They gain admission into the Church.
* Their standing before God is changed from one under condemnation to a child of God.

However, Wesley's own views of infant baptism seem to shift over time as he put more and more emphasis on salvation by faith and new birth by faith alone. This has helped to fuel much debate within Methodism over just what infant baptism does, though almost all are agreed it should be continued.

Infant baptism is particularly illustrative of the Methodist doctrine of prevenient grace. The principle is that The Fall of Man ruined the human soul to such an extent that nobody wants a relationship with God. In order for humans to even want to be able to choose God must empower their will (so that they may choose Christ) which he does by means of prevenient grace. Thus God takes the very first step in salvation, preceding any human effort or decision. Methodists justify infant baptism by this principle of prevenient grace, often arguing that infant baptism is God's promise or declaration to the infant that calls that infant to (eventually) believe in God's promises (God's Word) for salvation. When the individual believes in Jesus they will profess their faith before the church, often using a ritual called confirmation in which the Holy Spirit is invoked with the laying on of hands. Methodists also use infant baptism symbolically, as an illustration of God approaching the helpless. They see the ceremony additionally as a celebration of God's prevenient grace.

[edit] Presbyterian and Continental Reformed churches

Presbyterian and Reformed Christians contend that baptism is not a mere symbol, but actually conveys grace. The grace it conveys, however, is not justifying grace. It may convey sanctifying grace or some other kind of grace. Baptism, according to this tradition, does not produce Christians, but it identifies the child as a member of the covenant community. Some adherents of the Federal Vision theology disagree, however, regarding instead a Christian as one who is a member of the covenant community. Yet all would agree that being a member of the covenant community does not guarantee salvation; though it does provide the child with many benefits, including that of one's particular congregation consenting to assist in the raising of that child in "the way he should go, [so that] when he is old he will not turn from it".[30]

Presbyterian and many Reformed Christians see infant baptism as the New Testament form of circumcision in the Jewish covenant (Joshua 24:15). Circumcision did not create faith in the 8-day-old Jewish boy. It merely marked him as a member of God’s covenant people Israel. Likewise, baptism doesn’t create faith; it is a sign of membership in the covenant community.

Presbyterian and Reformed Christians consider children of professing Christians to be members of the visible Church (the covenant community). They do not necessarily consider them to be members of a particular church (a local congregation), nor of the universal Church (the set of all true believers). A profession of faith is required for the former, and true faith is required for the latter.[31]


i do not have this long of an attention spand or w.e its called, dude its ultimate guitar forum i dont think alot of people are gonna waste 10 hours of there life to read this, i have my beliefs and you have yours and i am 100 percent okay with that
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They are apologizing for the babies birth I guess you could say. Isn't sex the original sin? if so, that is what the baby i repenting for by being baptized.

LOL
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i do not have this long of an attention spand or w.e its called, dude its ultimate guitar forum i dont think alot of people are gonna waste 10 hours of there life to read this, i have my beliefs and you have yours and i am 100 percent okay with that

Then why even bother to ask?
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#11
Well Ur all $h1t just took away my point about Original Sin. Not much else to say, apart from the fact that baptism is all done in the child's best interest by the parents, they believe that raising them in Christianity as a child is a good thing - nothing wrong with that at all - and then they can decide whether to be a confirmed member of the Church around the age of thirteen, I decided against it. But I may change my mind when I'm an adult - see how life pans out.
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They are apologizing for the babies birth I guess you could say. Isn't sex the original sin? if so, that is what the baby i repenting for by being baptized.

sex is only a sin if its with someone you are not married to lol its not like a married couple is being bad for banging lol
#13
I'm not baptized.
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I'm not baptized.

Me neither.
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Well Ur all $h1t just took away my point about Original Sin. Not much else to say, apart from the fact that baptism is all done in the child's best interest by the parents, they believe that raising them in Christianity as a child is a good thing - nothing wrong with that at all - and then they can decide whether to be a confirmed member of the Church around the age of thirteen, I decided against it. But I may change my mind when I'm an adult - see how life pans out.

yea theres nothing BAD about being baptised as a baby but its not true baptism because they have to FORGIVE (repent). what are they forgiving? they havent done anything wrong yet
#16
that's why you have confirmations. to confirm that you agree to fulfil all the promises you made/your parents made when you were baptised.
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Yeah. people, like Lemoninfluence, are hypocrites and should have all their opinions invalidated from here on out.
#17
I think you're also missing the point that baptism is essentially a pact with Jesus/God that you are now part of whatever faith. The problem is, a baby can't choose that, so the baby is having it's parents religion forced on it.
#18
yea for the people saying there not baptized thats cool but I dont like when people say they WERE baptized then i later find out that it was when they were like a half a year old because thats not actual baptism
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yea theres nothing BAD about being baptised as a baby but its not true baptism because they have to FORGIVE (repent). what are they forgiving? they havent done anything wrong yet

Paedobaptists also point to Psalm 51, which reads, in part, "surely I was sinful from birth," as indication that infants are sinful (vid. original sin) and are thus in need of forgiveness that they too might have salvation.
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yea for the people saying there not baptized thats cool but I dont like when people say they WERE baptized then i later find out that it was when they were like a half a year old because thats not actual baptism

True.
The only reason my mom didnt get me baptized was because she didnt know wich religion i was gonna follow, wich happened to be none.
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#21
Baptism is the modern day equivalent of circumcision, welcoming the child into the church, not as a symbol of faith.
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I think you're also missing the point that baptism is essentially a pact with Jesus/God that you are now part of whatever faith. The problem is, a baby can't choose that, so the baby is having it's parents religion forced on it.

YES finally someone who i can agree with! bottom line is this baptizing is repenting (forgiving). babies cannot make that decision at there age because, 9for lack of a better word) babies are dumb because they are so young and baptizing takes away your sins. hmmm, sins, somthing babies do not have because they have done nothing wrong
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this is only for christians who think that being baptised as a baby is all they need, i was when i was very very very very young to, but i also was in 2004 when i was like 12.

The verse in the book of acts chapter 2 verse 38
"Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost."

You have to repent first.
another word for repent is apologize
a baby cannot apologize because first off, it has done nothing wrong and second off, apologizing is a decision. babies cannot make decisions because they are too young
i probably spelt 1 000 000 things wrong in this post, so cry a river


he was talking to adults, not babies.
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YES finally someone who i can agree with! bottom line is this baptizing is repenting (forgiving). babies cannot make that decision at there age because, 9for lack of a better word) babies are dumb because they are so young and baptizing takes away your sins. hmmm, sins, somthing babies do not have because they have done nothing wrong

Your bible disagrees
Psalm 51
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Baptism is the modern day equivalent of circumcision, welcoming the child into the church, not as a symbol of faith.

modern day baptisism is welcoming the child into the church, modern day baptism is. but modern is like a new version, well the bibles always stayed the same for me and im listening to the "vintage" (if u will) version
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he was talking to adults, not babies.

id hope so, cuz last time i checked babies couldnt listen or hear
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YES finally someone who i can agree with! bottom line is this baptizing is repenting (forgiving). babies cannot make that decision at there age because, 9for lack of a better word) babies are dumb because they are so young and baptizing takes away your sins. hmmm, sins, somthing babies do not have because they have done nothing wrong

original sin.
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Yeah. people, like Lemoninfluence, are hypocrites and should have all their opinions invalidated from here on out.
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id hope so, cuz last time i checked babies couldnt listen or hear

babies can hear but not really acknowledge it lol. anyway, you don't have to repent before you're baptised. i was i think 9 when i was batptised and i never had to repent or anything. i think god made a typo
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yea theres nothing BAD about being baptised as a baby but its not true baptism because they have to FORGIVE (repent). what are they forgiving? they havent done anything wrong yet


Original sin, yes, they've not done something wrong, but it is said they we're all born with original sin, that is the idea behind it.
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Original sin, yes, they've not done something wrong, but it is said they we're all born with original sin, that is the idea behind it.

ok so being baptized as a baby is washing away the original sin, but u have to be baptized AFTER THAT when your old, so you can forgive the other sins that u actually made ur self
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modern day baptisism is welcoming the child into the church, modern day baptism is. but modern is like a new version, well the bibles always stayed the same for me and im listening to the "vintage" (if u will) version


I noticed, what's with the "unto" and "ye" all about?

...and you do realise Jesus would have been talking to grown men, who would have been circumcised at birth, as Jews, and the baptism would have been a symbol of their new faith? The actual baptism is just symbolic, it doesn't matter whether it is done at birth or as an adult.
#32
being baptized as a baby forgives the original sin, but if u get baptized when ur a baby like me i was forgiven for my original sin, but then i was baptized at the age of 12 for 1000's of other sins, so being baptized as a baby does forgive the original sin but not the thousands of others u have made by the time you can actually compreehend the idea of god (i spelt stuff wrong in here people get over it)
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I think you're also missing the point that baptism is essentially a pact with Jesus/God that you are now part of whatever faith. The problem is, a baby can't choose that, so the baby is having it's parents religion forced on it.


Wrong, it's hardly forced upon them, it's all done in the child's best interest as an act of love and care from the parents. Even if the child doesn't want to be a part of the church, it can decide against being confirmed later on in life. You're acting as if they're being conscripted instead of Christened.
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ok so being baptized as a baby is washing away the original sin, but u have to be baptized AFTER THAT when your old, so you can forgive the other sins that u actually made ur self

I believe that's what confession is for.
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Yeah. people, like Lemoninfluence, are hypocrites and should have all their opinions invalidated from here on out.
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I noticed, what's with the "unto" and "ye" all about?

...and you do realise Jesus would have been talking to grown men, who would have been circumcised at birth, as Jews, and the baptism would have been a symbol of their new faith? The actual baptism is just symbolic, it doesn't matter whether it is done at birth or as an adult.

you know man, im geussing ur referring to my spelling, and latley my computer has been lagginG ALOT like if i type the word "awesome" fast it will show up as "aeswome" but i know i hit the right keys, time for a new pc i geuss
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I believe that's what confession is for.

confession like in the booth? if so, i said this is for christian people, christian churches do not have confesisional booths because christians believe you have to confess your sins to god not a pastor (priest)
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ok so being baptized as a baby is washing away the original sin, but u have to be baptized AFTER THAT when your old, so you can forgive the other sins that u actually made ur self


You don't have to be Christened again, it's a choice you reach when you're a teenager, the choice to be a confirmed member of the Church, and I have decided against it, as do many. But I may decide to get confirmed later on - depending on how my life has panned out. This is now the third time I've said that, ugh.
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you know man, im geussing ur referring to my spelling, and latley my computer has been lagginG ALOT like if i type the word "awesome" fast it will show up as "aeswome" but i know i hit the right keys, time for a new pc i geuss

I'll tell you why that's not true.

your computer has a buffer between what you type and what appears on the screen. It means that no matter how fast you type, the characters will appear in the correct order.

normally they appear straight away as the buffer is empty but when lag occurs all the keystrokes get saved into the buffer and should come out in the right order. Chances are your fingers are just mistyping at high speed.
Rhythm in Jump. Dancing Close to You.

Quote by element4433
Yeah. people, like Lemoninfluence, are hypocrites and should have all their opinions invalidated from here on out.
#39
Quote by freddaahh
You don't have to be Christened again, it's a choice you reach when you're a teenager, the choice to be a confirmed member of the Church, and I have decided against it, as do many. But I may decide to get confirmed later on - depending on how my life has panned out. This is now the third time I've said that, ugh.

i read all 3 of them, dont think that ur gonna post this a number of times and its gonna change my mind im not just gonna go "oh, he posted i 3 times, im gonna change what i believe in"
#40
Quote by blairbondy
confession like in the booth? if so, i said this is for christian people, christian churches do not have confesisional booths because christians believe you have to confess your sins to god not a pastor (priest)

Last I checked the catholic faith was a christian faith.
Rhythm in Jump. Dancing Close to You.

Quote by element4433
Yeah. people, like Lemoninfluence, are hypocrites and should have all their opinions invalidated from here on out.
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