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#2
There's no set scale for metal, if you play them correctly any scale is metal.

That being said, Harmonic Minor Scale = Br00tal
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#3
yeah just learn harmonic minor...pretty much everyone does that...
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#5
The Byzantine/double harmonic scale sounds pretty exotic. Then there's the phrygian major/Spanish gypsy scale which is the exact same thing except a b7. The diminished scales sound pretty dark and br00tal as well. And then of course you got your regular minor and harmonic minor scales.

If you really wanna be cool use the major scale right after like a diminished scale riff just to fuck with people.
#6
In a nutshell, get your basic handle on the Major, minor, Harmonic minor, minor7, dominant7, diminished and pentatonic/blues scale runs (did I miss any..? LOL) and you should be well on your way. From there you can think modally but that should come way later in the game.
#8
Use diminished mixed with chromatic passing tones.
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#9
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#10
scales are for n00bs.
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#11
Harmonic minor, melodic minor, phrygian mode, locrian mode, blues scale.

And for the ultimate br00talz, the major scale.
#12
Music theory is for falses.
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Diminished

Also, Which scales did Chuck Schuldiner use?

He made up his own lol. Whatever sounded good.
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He made up his own lol. Whatever sounded good.


When are you gonna go away?

You. Cannot. Make. Up. Scales.

Anyway, it's been proven that you can make good metal using pretty much any scale if you know what you're doing, but some of the most common are natural & harmonic minor, phrygian mode and using diminished arpeggios.
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#19
the scale doesn't matter, it's all the player. you can make black metal in the hawain scale ify ou want.
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the scale doesn't matter, it's all the player. you can make black metal in the hawain scale ify ou want.


No, the scale has a big impact on the feel and mood of the music.
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You. Cannot. Make. Up. Scales.

While I agree, I have to point out that you can work them out for yourself, and sometimes effectively meld them with similar scales.
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While I agree, I have to point out that you can work them out for yourself, and sometimes effectively meld them with similar scales.


+1

Chromatic harmonic minor ftw
#23
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which do i need to learn for metal?


Major scale. And theory.
#24
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the scale doesn't matter, it's all the player. you can make black metal in the hawain scale ify ou want.

Not really. I'd still sound Hawaiian... Hawaiian black metal, maybe?

Really though, why do you think Yngwie Malmsteen's "Blue" doesn't sound bluesy? Sure, he uses the blues scale... kind of. But he utilizes other modes and scales, and the feel of the music changes.
#25
And directed towards Baboom, I believe he "invented" melodic minor, but don't take my word on that.
#26
I think he more so incorporated it into rock music, it was/is prominent in classical studies I'm pretty sure.
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the scale doesn't matter, it's all the player. you can make black metal in the hawain scale ify ou want.

yeah, but it would probably suck.
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#29
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Anyway, it's been proven that you can make good metal using pretty much any scale if you know what you're doing, but some of the most common are natural & harmonic minor, phrygian mode and using diminished arpeggios.



Has it now?

If you want to make mundane, banal metal.. use diminished scales, any symmetrical scales, and the minor scale and it's derivatives.

However atonality and chromaticism is the basis for heavy metal, so using scales for metal is kind of ridiculous.
#30
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When are you gonna go away?

You. Cannot. Make. Up. Scales.

Anyway, it's been proven that you can make good metal using pretty much any scale if you know what you're doing, but some of the most common are natural & harmonic minor, phrygian mode and using diminished arpeggios.

When are you gonna go away? Chuck knew NO music theory..
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#31
But he did use scales whether he knew it or not.

EDIT: I'll explain better.Music theory is not something that is their or not. Music theory is only breaking down the way music works and explaining in ways that people can comprehend it better.
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#32
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But he did use scales whether he knew it or not.

Yeah, I know this. You really have to, right?
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#33
Well even chromatic is technically a scale so yeah. Also I'm pretty sure you can make up scales in some way. Anything new though would probably require going into more asian/middle eastern music that uses notes in between the 440's , and thats when things get reeeeally complex.
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#34
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aeolian (basically harmonic minor without the sharpened 7th)


So, uh, natural minor?
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#36
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Well even chromatic is technically a scale so yeah. Also I'm pretty sure you can make up scales in some way. Anything new though would probably require going into more asian/middle eastern music that uses notes in between the 440's , and thats when things get reeeeally complex.


But fun, at times it is a bitch to get your head around their theory system. It is weird for us, ahem, Westerners to think that the music they read is not universal, but is actually based off the lowest note that an instrument can reach.

Another thing many Westerners cannot fathom is the principle of microtonality, to our ears it is out of tune.

But the arabic music system use the same pitch ratio's as Western Music, and share the same, but in certain places their are smaller distances in frequencies between the notes. The reason for the similarities and differences? Most likely because before the dark ages European philosophers coerced with countries in the middle east...and I am not going to go into it because the history of Western Music is quite long. Main points, plato's writings make way back to europe, translated, trivium is formed, renaissance begins, more papers found, seeds of western culture are planted.

I love going off topic

But yeah the arabic music system, and microtonality enthuses me. I recently bought a guitar slide so I could start using microtones in riffs.
#37

With my last post, i didn't mean to go out and make black metal in the hawain scale. I simply meant that the scale is undoutedly far less important than how you use it. You can make anything out of pretty much any scale. Just because it's written in the blues scale doesn't make it blues.
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#38
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With my last post, i didn't mean to go out and make black metal in the hawain scale. I simply meant that the scale is undoutedly far less important than how you use it. You can make anything out of pretty much any scale. Just because it's written in the blues scale doesn't make it blues.


but it does make it sound bluesy.

If it is not the scale you are using, but HOW you use it, then you are referring to the modes of that scale, which all have their own sound within the context of the overall scale.
#39
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but it does make it sound bluesy.

If it is not the scale you are using, but HOW you use it, then you are referring to the modes of that scale, which all have their own sound within the context of the overall scale.


You contradicted yourself there
#40
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You contradicted yourself there


How so?

I will word better, modes of a scale, while having their own distinct sound, will always share traits of their parent scale.

So no matter how you use the blues scale, there will always be that blues tinge to it, due to the context that surrounds that note.
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