#1
Hello everyone !

I've been playing for about 4 years now, and I'm looking to get an acoustic-electric steel string guitar. I already have a classical and an electric, so a steel string is only fitting.

My budget is $200. I know it's a bit low, but it's all I afford for now. I will probably be purchasing it locally at Guitar Center, or Sam Ash. Here are the ones I'm looking at.

Even though the Washburn looks MUCH better, I was leaning towards the Rogue, as I was planning on taking it to school a few times, and wouldn't mind it getting a little banged on as much as the Washburn. Open to all sorts of suggestions !!

Thanks guys, I really appreciate it!!

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Rogue-Dreadnought-Cutaway-AcousticElectric-Guitar?sku=519292

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Washburn-DK20CET-Dreadnought-AcousticElectric-Guitar?sku=515191

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Martin-D28-Authentic-Acoustic-Guitar?sku=513360
Last edited by p0pcorn at Jun 16, 2008,
#2
If I was you I would save my money. Neither of these guitars look that great. They don't have solid tops, and for that low of a price I wouldn't expect quality craftsmanship.

You could probably get a solid topped guitar with no electronics for 200, but I don't know how bad you realy need the electronics.
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#3
Well, the electronics would be a big plus, but not vital at the moment.

Is there a considerable difference in a solid top, and a laminate top ?

I would really like for it to be acoustic-electric, but if I have to sacrifice so much quality, I guess I'll just go the fully acoustic route for now. Unless you can recommend some nice models in that pricerange, of both types.

Thanks again so much guys!
#4
With a budget this small you can just go to the stores and play the guitar in your range, there cannot be that many.
#5
Well, for my $200 budget, are there any electro-acoustics on any site you'd recommend ?

And I'm open to fully acoustic suggestions as well.
#6
my suggestion is save up $150 and buy a Alvarez RD20SC
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#7
I suggest that you try and save another 100 or so up and check out the "What Guitar under 300" thread.

Although, if you really don't want to wait. I think I would go with the Rogue. But, I haven't heard any of those guitars so I don't know. You just have to play them all and get the one you like the most. All though getting the names and then backround checks on them to get the guitars specs is a good thing.

There is also a significant difference in laminate and solid. The solid will age and sound better over time. The laminate on the other hand will not age an sound better. There are more but it seems I don't have a ton of time to type...I believe there is a thread still active on this subject though that you can check out.
#8
Stay the hell away from Rogue. They do not make guitars; they make toys. Their quality control is piss poor, they have no idea how to properly construct an instrument, and everything they make is made out of balsa wood (you would do better buying a balsa airplane kit and making it into a guitar).

Bottom line, there is a huge difference between a solid top and a laminate top. Right off the bat, you will notice a considerable difference in tone.
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#9
Oh lord. Rogue are a joke. If I were you and had that $200 I would put it towards an all acoustic guitar, the first one that comes to mind is a Yamaha FG700s.
#10
Well guys, I went down to Guitar Center, and I might be going back again tomorrow.

A Mitchell MD-100SCE Acoustic-Electric. I was positive it was a solid spruce top. Looks very nice to be honest with you, and the salesman recommended it. I played them all, and couldn't tell a difference - except for the $1000 Martin. I thought it would sound much better with Elixirs.

After I got home, I noticed the tag on the guitar said "Spruce" Top. What happened to SOLID ?? I could have sworn it was a solid spruce top.. even Musiciansfriend says it is.

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Mitchell-MD100SCE-Dreadnought-Acoustic-Electric-Guitar?sku=518043

The guitar sounds very nice, and looks just as well too.

What's your opinion on Mitchell Guitars ? Even if it is a Solid Spruce Top. Total came to about $270 USD w/ 1 year warranty. Guitar was $230 on it's own.

What do you guys think ? Good buy ? Or can I still find better for the money ?
#11
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Well guys, I went down to Guitar Center, and I might be going back again tomorrow.

A Mitchell MD-100SCE Acoustic-Electric. I was positive it was a solid spruce top. Looks very nice to be honest with you, and the salesman recommended it. I played them all, and couldn't tell a difference - except for the $1000 Martin. I thought it would sound much better with Elixirs.

After I got home, I noticed the tag on the guitar said "Spruce" Top. What happened to SOLID ?? I could have sworn it was a solid spruce top.. even Musiciansfriend says it is.

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Mitchell-MD100SCE-Dreadnought-Acoustic-Electric-Guitar?sku=518043

The guitar sounds very nice, and looks just as well too.

What's your opinion on Mitchell Guitars ? Even if it is a Solid Spruce Top. Total came to about $270 USD w/ 1 year warranty. Guitar was $230 on it's own.

What do you guys think ? Good buy ? Or can I still find better for the money ?

For the price, you got what you paid for. Very decent price, I suppose. Personally, I don't care for Mitchell brand, but I've only played three of them.

Elixir strings don't sound better than uncoated strings. They feel better for longer, but that's about it. I've never had a good experience with Elixirs.
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#12
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Elixir strings don't sound better than uncoated strings. They feel better for longer, but that's about it. I've never had a good experience with Elixirs.


That is an opinion though and not a fact. I personally think they sound a tad bit better then the uncoated strings I have tried but I haven't tried many different brands of strings. Captivate would disagree about the lasting longer because they don't for him. I would say they last longer because the do for me. I have never had a bad experience with Elixirs.

With all that said, I would say try the strings and see how you like them and then try a different brand or two and go with the one you like most. Or just go with one and if you like them just stay with them.
#13
Thanks so much guys for all your help!

I'm quite happy with my purchase now. Should put the Elixirs in today as well.

And any info on Mitchell Guitars would be greatly appreciated as well, as I really dont have much background information on this manufacturer. Looks extremely well crafted for the price, and sounds very warm too. Pics coming soon.
#14
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That is an opinion though and not a fact. I personally think they sound a tad bit better then the uncoated strings I have tried but I haven't tried many different brands of strings.


Try John Pearse, Martin SPs (short life warning on this one though haha), D'addario and GHS strings and tell me if Elixir's still sound better :p. I will have to agree with you on life though, I restring my working guitars once a month and I string with crappy ones with Elixirs once a year, I realize I rarely play it but it's pretty awesome when the guitar still sounds alright after months and months and months of just sitting there corroding.
#15
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Try John Pearse, Martin SPs (short life warning on this one though haha), D'addario and GHS strings and tell me if Elixir's still sound better :p. I will have to agree with you on life though, I restring my working guitars once a month and I string with crappy ones with Elixirs once a year, I realize I rarely play it but it's pretty awesome when the guitar still sounds alright after months and months and months of just sitting there corroding.

It's certainly a fact. Same as a laminated top is worse than a solid top. If you wrap strings in a condom (a la Elixirs), there is no way it will have the quality of tone as an uncoated string. You're literally just muting your strings.
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Just search Ibanez in the Acoustic forum. There's no way I can begin to describe all the things that are wrong with them ... again.
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#18
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It's certainly a fact. Same as a laminated top is worse than a solid top. If you wrap strings in a condom (a la Elixirs), there is no way it will have the quality of tone as an uncoated string. You're literally just muting your strings.


It is not a fact, it is an opinion. I'm sorry to be a dick here but maybe you should look up what a fact means and what an opinion means because obviously you don't understand what it means. I know what you are saying with the slight muting, because it is not a heavy muting, but they give them a different tone. Just like two different types of wood gives it a different tone. Some people may like one tone more then the other, and then someone else may have a different opinion on the matter.
#20
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It is not a fact, it is an opinion. I'm sorry to be a dick here but maybe you should look up what a fact means and what an opinion means because obviously you don't understand what it means. I know what you are saying with the slight muting, because it is not a heavy muting, but they give them a different tone. Just like two different types of wood gives it a different tone. Some people may like one tone more then the other, and then someone else may have a different opinion on the matter.


With that logic you could say a laminated Rogue guitar can sound better than a $2000 Martin because of subjective taste. I can't argue with that, but we all know that's absolutely horse ****.
#21
alright already.

If you want to start arguing philosophy, then really there s no such thing as objective value. But what that doesn't change, is that most people can tell that uncoated strings have better tone than coated strings.
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#22
Well, aside from the strings, does anyone have any information regarding Mitchell guitars ?

And I will post my own personal philosiphies once I've switched to Elixirs.

Thanks!
#23
I'm not going to go further in depth, but I have a million arguments for my side. If someone wants to start another thread or PM me about it, feel free. I'd love to discuss both sides.
Sincerely, Chad.
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#25
If any of you have this guitar, can you please tell me if it is indeed a solid spruce top ? The salesman and the websites i've looked at say it's solid spruce, but the guitar sticker only said "Spruce Top". I'm having a really hard time finding out by just looking at it, and I bought the floor model, which didn't come with documentation.

Any info will be greatly appreciated ! Thanks !
#26
If the website said it's a solid spruce top then it probably will be. If they lied and got caught it would get pretty nasty.

Anyway the best way to check is to look at the guitar top in the soundhole. If the pattern at the top continues into the soundhole it's solid.
#27
Thank you very much guys !

Vouch for this guitar! I can't put it down!!
#28
uh is it just me not getting the joke or something? cause the third link has a washburn for 33 thousand dollars..lol