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#1
is fantastic.

It worries me that so many people here try to paint it as a negative characteristic.
Is this because it scares people?
Could this be because people are intimidated by their own mediocrity whilst in the presence of elitists?

Seriously, I'm interested in why anyone could consider it bad or somehow wrong to be elitist.

It drives innovation and creation
It's what keeps pushing music forwards.
It's what helps you avoid the mediocrity of rock and metal.
It's what makes you realise that melody is for simple minded fools.
It's what makes you laugh at Dreamtheater loving faux 'metalhead' elitists.

So, how do you feel about elitism?
#2
Elitism is below my level of awesomeness.
And what is more, there's been a bloody purple nose and some bloody purple clothes that were messing up the lobby floor. It's just apartment house rules so all you 'partment fools remember : one man's ceiling is another man's floor.
#5
When I think of elitism I think of genre elitism. That is just ****ing annoying. No one genre is better than the other as it's all percieved from different peoples perspectives.
#8
Because it tries to give subjective appreciation of music an objective edge, which is just bollocks.
#9
I'm curious, teegman, what is your definition of elitism? I've primarily seen the term applied to metalheads, particularly the "it's for pussies if it's not TEH BR00TALZ" type. I dislike these people because they lack an open mind, simply considering their preferred music to be the best and refusing to listen to anything different.
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#10
Elitism is stupid, childish, and irrational. Have fun with your misconceptions and exclusion.
#12
Teegman you troll
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#13
Quote by teegman
is fantastic.

It worries me that so many people here try to paint it as a negative characteristic.
Is this because it scares people?
Could this be because people are intimidated by their own mediocrity whilst in the presence of elitists?

Seriously, I'm interested in why anyone could consider it bad or somehow wrong to be elitist.

It drives innovation and creation
It's what keeps pushing music forwards.
It's what helps you avoid the mediocrity of rock and metal.
It's what makes you realise that melody is for simple minded fools.
It's what makes you laugh at Dreamtheater loving faux 'metalhead' elitists.

So, how do you feel about elitism?


Elitist twat...

Being elitist is when you think your opinion is better than others. You shun those who believe differently and believe you are better than them.

You think this should be encouraged? Ziggums....


Ghey boy.
#14
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Elitism is stupid, childish, and irrational. Have fun with your misconceptions and exclusion.


+1

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#15
i too would like to raise my distaste for elitism. such 'Band X sucks, they aren't real metal/they're sell outs/whatever'. it's as if people aren't permitted to like bands for what they are, not what some snob thinks they should be.
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#16
"elitism" and "elite" are different but are substituted for each other a lot.

"elite" is the best of the best, like Oxbridge (elite universities) or Manchester United (elite football club); "elitism" is thinking you are superior to others just because you may be smarter or better skilled and have the power to exclude them. an "elitist" is a person who fits this description.

and i think the TS is narrow minded.
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#17
lol @ UG's gullability for trolls
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#20
Elitism is sometimes a positive force and sometimes it's not, for example;

Elitism in education based upon ability, concerning specfically university level education is, in my opinion, a good thing. Whilst education elitism based upon earnings is wrong.

So the only acceptable answer is 'it depends'.

When it comes to music? No, elitism is not acceptable; everyonen is into music for different things, why people like musica cannot be judged on an objective scale therefore eltism in music, whilst not being in any way of consequence to anyone who has better things to do, is simply wrong.
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#21
well...

i would say its not acceptable, but its there. everyone has preferences, and to different people, of course different bands are better than others. these are debates that can never be concluded. its about taking one step back. this is the internet, no one takes one step back.
#22
I dislike all kinds of close mindedness. Thinking your taste is better than others or a band is more or less 'real' (what the hell would that even mean anyway? :S) is totally foreign to me and I really don't get the point.
The music genre section on this forum is very elitist and completely ridiculous.
People like what they like, I doubt anyone really cares what the elitists have to say. Maybe just a way of gaining attention.
#23
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When it comes to music? No, elitism is not acceptable; everyone is into music for different things, why people like musica cannot be judged on an objective scale therefore elitism in music, whilst not being in any way of consequence to anyone who has better things to do, is simply wrong.


So you would say that it isn't acceptable for someone who has a vast knowledge on music to press his/her opinion on, say, someone who has only ever listened to a dozen or so artists?
Surely the one who has been exposed to the far larger and more diverse range of music is in a better position to judge what is good music or not?
I dare say that music isn't nearly as subjective as most people like to make it out to be, it seems to be a safety net for close-mindedness.
#24
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It's what makes you realise that melody is for simple minded fools.


I lost any respect I had for your argument when I read that
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#25
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So you would say that it isn't acceptable for someone who has a vast knowledge on music to press his/her opinion on, say, someone who has only ever listened to a dozen or so artists?
Surely the one who has been exposed to the far larger and more diverse range of music is in a better position to judge what is good music or not?
I dare say that music isn't nearly as subjective as most people like to make it out to be, it seems to be a safety net for close-mindedness.


'Surely the one who has been exposed to the far larger and more diverse range of music is in a better position to judge what is good music or not?'

It's these value judgements that are the problem, they're relics of another age. The fact that I have a great knowledge of music than a punter, and my dad has a greater knowledge of music than me (i'm talking theory/application here) means that I can make a more informed decision on some things. if I'm, say, looking for music with 2-5-6-1- progressions and lots of substitutions, I can say 'Ah, taht'll be in Jazz'. Or my dad can say, with his knowledge of music, that jazz was formed in 'New Orleans when black met white!'.

But, point to me where any of this knowledge can lead me to 'better' music? It can lead me to music which is pleasing due to my understanding of it, certainly, and different music can be pleasurable in different ways when you are a 'musical person. In fact, I'd go so far as to say that punters simply have music as a sountrack to their lives, paying little or no attention to it. However, all these things simply revolve around interest, understanding and apprecation of music and unless you have some standard to qualify it with, you can't say 'so and so is good music whilst so and so is bad'.

If we were living in the 1800s there would be strict convetions to which one must conform if one wishes to create good music, but we don't so I think value judgements in art are relics.
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#26
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#27
First things first:

Quote by teegman
is fantastic.
It drives innovation and creation

Nope, in all the RL and online experiences I have of eitism it keeps everything static, completely static.
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It's what keeps pushing music forwards.

See above.
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It's what helps you avoid the mediocrity of rock and metal.

Maybe. A lot of the bands commonly associated with elitism is quite mediocre IMO.
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It's what makes you realise that melody is for simple minded fools.

Melodies are part of music, but not the only essence of it, but it is still a vital part. Though if you prefer one thing over another it is not simple mindedness, it is preference. Considering otherwise on the other hand is simple minded, or actually just closed minded.
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It's what makes you laugh at Dreamtheater loving faux 'metalhead' elitists.

If you laugh at somebodies music then you are simple minded. There are a lot of music genres I don't like, but I chose to ignore them competely.
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So, how do you feel about elitism?

In most cases I feel that elitists should be shot on site, because it is practicaly the backwards of everything you said, at least from what I've seen and experienced throughout my life.

EDIT:
I checked your profile, again, and saw one of my comments:
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By looking at your list of threads and post I've got to say: obvious troll is obvious.
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#29
Quote by teegman

It drives innovation and creation

Care to explain how?

It's what keeps pushing music forwards.

No, it does the opposite. In order for music to progress, a band or artist generally has to embrace different genres and styles. If you listen solely to one specific genre of music, the chances are you are going to compose in that one genre and your music will never really progress. Look at Classical elitists.


It's what helps you avoid the mediocrity of rock and metal.

Firstly, that statement doesn't really make any sense. What if you're a Metal elitist? Secondly, not all rock is medicore. I know you're mainly saying this to provoke a response from the Dream Thatre/Opeth fanboys of the Pit but I also think you are somewhat serious about that statement. Look at bands experimental rock bands like Can and Sonic Youth...

It's what makes you realise that melody is for simple minded fools.

Uhmm... wrong. I think most music places too much emphasis on melodies that are empty and really do nothing for the listener. Not all melodies though. Look at artists like Boards of Canada.

It's what makes you laugh at Dreamtheater loving faux 'metalhead' elitists.

cool.
#31
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I checked your profile, again, and saw one of my comments:

it's not that obvious if you fell for it.
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#32
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Music is Subjective. It's all opinions.


+1

And it's true, I hate Musical elitists. Especially when they'll make fun of you because you hate Slipknot, Dragonforce or A7X. It even worse that they're all sissies. One time I got in a fight with one of them, and he was scared ****less just because I was willing to fight. I won
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#33
I can just see teegman sitting alone in a cave, cackling maniacally, hunched over a desk with amassed papers, plotting his next troll thread.

Anyway, elitists are unable to tell the difference between fact and opinion and think they're superior to everyone, which is an unattractive quality to have.
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#35
The only people who have a problem with my elitism are people with bad taste. So, I don't care.

OH MY GOD! He's back! I thought you were permabanned.
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#37
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So you would say that it isn't acceptable for someone who has a vast knowledge on music to press his/her opinion on, say, someone who has only ever listened to a dozen or so artists?
Surely the one who has been exposed to the far larger and more diverse range of music is in a better position to judge what is good music or not?
I dare say that music isn't nearly as subjective as most people like to make it out to be, it seems to be a safety net for close-mindedness.



If I remember correctly, you're the ****in' idiot who thinks that acoustic instruments are obsolete.

Right?
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#38
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If I remember correctly, you're the ****in' idiot who thinks that acoustic instruments are obsolete.

Right?


He's a troll.
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#39
Ah well **** he got me all pissed off again, so I went ahead and banned him.

I should really stop reading threads like this, it ruins my appearance of absolute fairness and justice
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#40
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Ah well **** he got me all pissed off again, so I went ahead and banned him.

I should really stop reading threads like this, it ruins my appearance of absolute fairness and justice




Nicely done. I don't think anyone will mind (besides perhaps JOJ).
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