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#2
Sometimes he hit a fast riff, but no he didn't shred.

Maybe just because he pioneered Wah and Distortion and that led to Shred?
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pioneer means first so... he was the first in the bringing about of "shredding"

he expanded the horizon on what the guitar was capable of and show diff. tech.'s of guitar playing, he was also an icon

no one new what "shredding" was, so maybe back then his style was "shredding"
#5
I guess just because he did play pretty fast but he wasn't like tapping and ****. I don't know man but Jimi was a god and should be recognized for everything he did.
#7
Shred has nothing to do with playing fast. It means playing a great solo. Shredding is to play a great solo, that is. People today don't get it... And yes, Hendrix was one of the first people to go into crazy, whammy bar influenced solos, and you could very much say he was a pioneer of shreddin' it up.
#8
ask any shredder what their influences are (in the music industry) and odd are Hendrix is named if not first. THen Bach or Mozart. Then a list of obscure Jazz musicians.
#9
he might not play a "shred style" of guitar, but considering how his band was focused almost solely on him and supporting what he could do on the guitar and used lots of switching time and key changes (jazz influences) and lots of blues scales (blues influences) he was more of a proto-shred guitarist. He basically showed everyone a lot of what could be done on guitar, which other bands of the time wouldn't be able to do because they'd be too focused on just doing their solos and being a part of the band. He was the band... just like when you go and see Satch, Steve Vai, and Yngwie they all have their own bands where they are the central figure and driving force and the band is there simply to support their exploration of guitar.

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That video is ****. Sloppy wanking.


I like a lot of Hendrix's stuff but that is exactly my opinion on that video. It had a few good moments but most of it was just random sloppy wanking.
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#16
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Shred has nothing to do with playing fast. It means playing a great solo. Shredding is to play a great solo, that is. People today don't get it... And yes, Hendrix was one of the first people to go into crazy, whammy bar influenced solos, and you could very much say he was a pioneer of shreddin' it up.



What are you chatting about? Shredding is all about playing fast. That is how shredding is defined- a series of notes, all (or nearly all) plucked, in a fast manner. The motion of the pick scraping rapidly across the string and back repeatedly whilst doing this is as if the pick is 'shredding' the string, hence the name. It's all about the speed. However, I can certainly see how shredding came out of the early electric guitar pioneers such as Hendrix who, while they didn't 'shred' as such (as we define it today), they did pave the way for it.
#17
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yeah he can improv.. id like to see either of you do half as good

stupid argument.
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Shred has nothing to do with playing fast. It means playing a great solo. Shredding is to play a great solo, that is. People today don't get it... And yes, Hendrix was one of the first people to go into crazy, whammy bar influenced solos, and you could very much say he was a pioneer of shreddin' it up.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shred_guitar
#20
Warren DeMartini and George Lynch are shredders. I don't see them playing anywhere as fats as MAB. Shredding used to be an adjective for good playing in the 80's, kind of rad for something that looked cool, but what ever.
#21
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Warren DeMartini and George Lynch are shredders. I don't see them playing anywhere as fats as MAB. Shredding used to be an adjective for good playing in the 80's, kind of rad for something that looked cool, but what ever.


DeMartini and Lynch are still fast though, 90% of shredders don't go as fast as MAB; whether anyone likes it or not he is one of the fastest guitar players in the world.
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#23
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why? it was a damn good improv.

it implies that you have to be as good as someone to have a valid opinion of them. And that's just silly.

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Can you play sports to a professional level? then don't watch any sports and shout when someone misses.

Have you been through law school and practised law for years? don't criticise a judge when they make a controversial decision.

etc.

plus 'good' is a subjective concept in music, I personally thought the improv was boring.
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#24
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it implies that you have to be as good as someone to have a valid opinion of them. And that's just silly.

Can you run a country? don't criticise politicians.

Can you play sports to a professional level? then don't watch any sports and shout when someone misses.

Have you been through law school and practised law for years? don't criticise a judge when they make a controversial decision.

etc.

plus 'good' is a subjective concept in music, I personally thought the improv was boring.

well calling it sloppy wanking or whatever seems insulting, so id assume if someone downtalks it to that degree they would have somthing to show for it, but i do agree to an extent

tl;dr educated opinions are prefered rather than mindless **** talking(no insult intended just in general)
#25
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Ummm Hendrix started two hand tapping just watch the Band of Gypsys DVD.
Also he used alternate picking as a way of sustaining the note listen to All Along the Watchtower.(Dick Dale was probably the first to use alternate picking though)(Syd Barrett also use alternate picking in the Lucifer Sam solo)

Also I think Lennon was the first to do a pinch harmonic just listen to Nowhere Man solo.

It seems a lot of 60's guitarists started the shredding techniques except for sweep picking and economy picking.

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#26
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well calling it sloppy wanking or whatever seems insulting, so id assume if someone downtalks it to that degree they would have somthing to show for it, but i do agree to an extent

tl;dr educated opinions are prefered rather than mindless **** talking(no insult intended just in general)

well then by that logic, you should be able to improv like that to be able to say that it isn't what they said.

see the problem?

you can disagree with somebody's opinion all you like, but don't use that argument to try and invalidate their opinion because it also invalidates yours.
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#27
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well then by that logic, you should be able to improv like that to be able to say that it isn't what they said.

see the problem?

you can disagree with somebody's opinion all you like, but don't use that argument to try and invalidate their opinion because it also invalidates yours.

i see your point, but i was saying you shouldnt talk **** unless you can back it up, but if you cant do it(which i cant) nothin wrong with sayin oh thats dope.. cuz you cant do it

im all fer them expressing their opinion, i was sayin i disagree and the way they chose to express it (mindless wanking i believe) was uncalled for
#28
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i see your point, but i was saying you shouldnt talk **** unless you can back it up, but if you cant do it(which i cant) nothin wrong with sayin oh thats dope.. cuz you cant do it

why though?

if you can't do it you don't know what does into it, so how can you say whether it's good or not?

why should it apply one way but not the other?
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#29
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why though?

if you can't do it you don't know what does into it, so how can you say whether it's good or not?

why should it apply one way but not the other?

well personally I dont insult somthing unless i could do better, even then id probably just stay quiet. it urked me that they refered to it in that way
i think its good cuz i cant do it and it looks and sounds good...
#30
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Ummm Hendrix started two hand tapping just watch the Band of Gypsys DVD.
Also he used alternate picking as a way of sustaining the note listen to All Along the Watchtower.(Dick Dale was probably the first to use alternate picking though)(Syd Barrett also use alternate picking in the Lucifer Sam solo)

Also I think Lennon was the first to do a pinch harmonic just listen to Nowhere Man solo.

It seems a lot of 60's guitarists started the shredding techniques except for sweep picking and economy picking.


Hendrix starting two hand tapping? Dick Dale being the first to use alternate picking?!

All of that and those "shredding techniques" you describe can be found in, off the top of my head, Django Reinhardt's music, and that was in the 1930s.
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#31
And that's a natural harmonic in the Nowhere Man solo...
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#32
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it implies that you have to be as good as someone to have a valid opinion of them. And that's just silly.

Can you run a country? don't criticise politicians.

Can you play sports to a professional level? then don't watch any sports and shout when someone misses.

Have you been through law school and practised law for years? don't criticise a judge when they make a controversial decision.

etc.

plus 'good' is a subjective concept in music, I personally thought the improv was boring.

If that would be true the human race would be in a pretty undeveloped position, discussion is what makes us make progress. I do study law and I know that if the people can't criticise a judge they would be in a position with too much power, power corrupts.
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If that would be true the human race would be in a pretty undeveloped position, discussion is what makes us make progress. I do study law and I know that if the people can't criticise a judge they would be in a position with too much power, power corrupts.

exactly.

you can have an opinion about anyone/thing without having to be able to do the things they do.
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#34
Lemoninfluence put it in a very good way.

theshroomman, I just don't think it sounded good. He was just playing random notes. I did mention it was my opinion and I don't have a problem if someone else likes it. To each his own. I like Jimi's stuff but he was capable of much more than that.
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#38
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Hendrix starting two hand tapping? Dick Dale being the first to use alternate picking?!

All of that and those "shredding techniques" you describe can be found in, off the top of my head, Django Reinhardt's music, and that was in the 1930s.


I'm not aware of Django doing any tapping but I know Tal Farlow was doing it in the 50s.
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#39
Jimmy Hendrix was a huge influence on the development of shred do the fact that his playing was through him. Everything he played was his style and his art. He influenced musicians not to imitate others but to create something that was personal and their own. These are the ideals of great musicians such as vai and satriani who always aspire to be unigue and different.
#40
It all depends on your definition of shred. Satriani actually says guys like Neil Young and Billy Corgan are shred, as well.
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