#1
Are standard les paul stopbars supposed to be able to go down all the way to the body? Cuz the one on my Epi LP custom doesn't and it irritates me cuz i topwrap my Les
Paul..
Could i buy another stopbar that is able to go all the way down?
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#3
Yeah, watever you're sayin, it don't sound right. Somethin's wrong with your idea (or your guitar, not sure which). There should be space there, man.
#4
This is what i'm trying to achieve


As you can see, the stopbar is cranked all the way down to touch the body. My problem is that my stopbar won't go all the way down
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#5
None of my stopbar guitars crank all the way down to touch. There's a gap.
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#7
no, wrap arounds don't have the Tune-O-Matic bridges
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isn't that a wrap around tailpiece, not a stop bar?


It's still a tailpiece, but he's got the strings wrapped around it for some odd reason.
#9
Its called top wrapping! I think Jimmy Page and Zakk Wylde do it or used to do it. Its supposed to increase sustain and give you more control by makingthe strings more bendable.
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#10
The way the studs are made for the stop piece it wont go all the way down to contact the body. There will be a small gap. If the stop piece did touch it would screw up the paint. The top wrap puts less pressure on the saddles and cuts down on string breakage. It does make bending a bit easier. Not sure about the sustain never did a head to head test thing to know for sure.
#11
tackleberry, on the sustain, i believe the theory is that by lowering the studs the tailiece isn't sitting at the end of a pole and will oscilalte less (which would reduce the amount of string energy lost to the hardware). In practice, I would think it wouldn't be real noticeable unless you got loosely matched threads on the tailpiece studs. Paradoxically, you want that downward pressure on the saddles to better define the end of the speaking length of the string which will give you cleaner tone and better sustain as the string vibrations are kept more between the nut and saddles instead of being lost in the non usable area behind the saddles. thinking logically, i woudl think that having too little tension on the strings is going to make intonation a royal pain as well.
#13
Dont have any problems with my guitar doing the top wrap. It stays in tune during playing and no problems with intonation. And has stopped breaking strings.
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Damn, that's some low ass action!
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Damn, that's some low ass action!

How can even determine action from this picture?
#16
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How can even determine action from this picture?



The bridge looks like it's lowered about as far as it can go.
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#17
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The bridge looks like it's lowered about as far as it can go.

Oh okay, I was trying to see the distance of the strings from the fretboard and was like wtf, this guy has a crazy eye.
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Oh okay, I was trying to see the distance of the strings from the fretboard and was like wtf, this guy has a crazy eye.



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#19
The bridge height doesnt mean how good the action is. The neck angle varies from guitar to guitar. Some have an adjuster screw inside the neck pocket where the neck angle can be changed very easy.
#20
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The bridge height doesnt mean how good the action is. The neck angle varies from guitar to guitar. Some have an adjuster screw inside the neck pocket where the neck angle can be changed very easy.
No matter what the neck angle or curve is, or the nut height, having the bridge that low still means it's going to be stupidly low near the pickups and higher frets.

I don't get why people ever want action that low. It's not particularly easier to play on than medium or higher action, it muddies up your tone, and it reduces sustain. Just grow up, strengthen up your fingers, and get the strings at least several MM off the fretboard.
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#21
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It doesn't do anything more for sustain.

Hell_monkey, why did you start another thread about this? That extra 3mm is NOT going to make a difference....



Haha my bad ...i guess i must have OCD, cuz i get REALLY obsessed with small things like this, and even the tiniest problems annoy me to no end.
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#22
i also wrap my strings over the top of the stopbar. i love it and will always do it.
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