#1
I don't know, just a thought that crossed my mind a couple days ago while I was thinking about my cats and dog. Really, their ENTIRE lives consist of sleeping, eating, pooping, and laying around. A pretty bland and sad life to say the least. And for the most part, animals are confined to a very small area their whole lives too, not able to experience the world as they were meant to. But then again, maybe they don't mind in the slightest. Who knows..

My opinion: in the present day, I think domesticating animals is almost necessary because of how much land we've used up for housing and whatnot, but still wrong. They are (mostly) fed ridiculously disgusting food, and do absolutely nothing through the duration of their sad lives. I think it would be better if they could live a natural life, hunting in packs and actually accomplishing something (okay that sounds a bit ridiculous but you get the point hopefully).

Your thoughts?
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#2
They would do the same in the wild, though with an added degree of freedom and without your annoying hands adoring them all the time.
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#3
they dont know that theres anything more to life than what they're already living. therefore, they dont care.
#4
Hey do you guys think that cats and dogs might walk on 2 feet in like a couple million years because thats what we did when we didn't need to walk on 4's and a tail.
#5
I think that while unfortunately the majority of owners do not correctly treat there animals, the ones that do care provide there pets with things to do nearly constantly. One of my thoughts a while ago was for the government *of any civilised country really* to introduce a compulsary license for keeping pets. That way owners could be veted *pardon the pun* to see if they are truly suitable to keep pets.

As with most animal related things if theres a problem, its the owner not the animal!
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#6
My cat comes in and out of the house as he pleases, he has plenty of freedom.

How do you know their food is disgusting?
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they dont know that theres anything more to life than what they're already living. therefore, they dont care.


That's sort of why I think it's wrong though. They should know
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#8
If they don't know something exists, and don't leave on their own to explore, I'd say they were happy.

My dog lived a happy life, it just pretty much ate and slept, but seemed happy as it was.

Pets create some kind of simbiosis (sp?), you want them for company and fun, and they rely on you to survive. I don't think it's wrong as long you do not abuse them.
#9
I was thinking about this like an hour ago! I think it's better for them in some ways, like they get medication if they're ill and stuff, so they'll live much longer lives..but at the same time, (like you said) they don't get to discover as much as they would do naturally..i don't think they particularly need to anyway

my dogs both used to live in kennels and i'm sure they both prefer living in a home with people than being outside
#10
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How do you know their food is disgusting?


Have you tasted it? So gross.

But seriously, it just seems so fake...seems like the ruling powers wouldn't use real products (like meat) in the food because that would be better off used for us.
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#11
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That's sort of why I think it's wrong though. They should know


i know this is kind of a divisive topic, but i just dont believe that they couldcomprehend a meaning to life even if they had total freedom.

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Have you tasted it? So gross.

But seriously, it just seems so fake...seems like the ruling powers wouldn't use real products (like meat) in the food because that would be better off used for us.


thats why the foods not made for you. its engineered to be attractive to the animal its intended for. also, they are engineered to be nutritious for said animals wether or not "real products" are used in them.
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#12
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That's sort of why I think it's wrong though. They should know


If they're in the wild they can spend days in the wild hunting for food sometimes without success and at risk from predators. In domestication they're fed on a regular basis, given a warm place to sleep and the only real danger to them is cars. Unless they have abusive owners, which is a different case entirely.

I'm not saying it's right, but they're treated well with no work in return other than to look cute and provide a friend (Who you can't even socialise with)
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If they're in the wild they can spend days in the wild hunting for food sometimes without success and at risk from predators. In domestication they're fed on a regular basis, given a warm place to sleep and the only real danger to them is cars. Unless they have abusive owners, which is a different case entirely.

I'm not saying it's right, but they're treated well with no work in return other than to look cute and provide a friend (Who you can't even socialise with)


Pfft, I'd rather be out in the wild having a blast with my buds, just managing to get by :P
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Pfft, I'd rather be out in the wild having a blast with my buds, just managing to get by :P


Do it then.
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#16
I always feel bad for my pet rabbit. He has a pretty large cage and a lot of toys.....but it still seems kind of sad......but when I let him run around the house he always hides under something until it's time for him to go back to his cage.
#17
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Pfft, I'd rather be out in the wild having a blast with my buds, just managing to get by :P


you're trying to personificate the animals waaaaaay too much. no offense but the animals are stupid. they wouldnt be able to comprehend the notions of friends or having fun. it would be survival. live or die.
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#18
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Have you tasted it? So gross.

But seriously, it just seems so fake...seems like the ruling powers wouldn't use real products (like meat) in the food because that would be better off used for us.

Pet food manufacturers bid on higher grade meat than most fast food chains do.

In the wild, the animals have freedom, but they struggle to survive.
They've got it made in captivity (as far as pets go).
#19
No. The domesticated animals have been trained and evolved to live with humans. Many wouldn't survive out in the wild.

Now, if pets were obtained directly from the wild (dogs and cats) that would be a different story.
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#20
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you're trying to personficate the animals waaaaaay too much. no offense but the animals are stupid. they wouldnt be able to comprehend the notions of friends or having fun. it would be survival. live or die.


Lol I was mostly kidding with that statement. And I do agree that animals probably don't give a shingding either way, but I still think it's wrong to an extent.
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#21
All they do is eat, sleep and poop.
What more can you ask for?
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#22
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Lol I was mostly kidding with that statement. And I do agree that animals probably don't give a shingding either way, but I still think it's wrong to an extent.


Yet it's fine to kill animals to make shoes and whatnot out of them?
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#23
Not wrong. I provide the animal with food, love, and shelter, and in return get companionship.
#24
Actually TS, at the risk of sounding cliche, dogs and cats mostly eat better than their owners. Also, if they were in the wild every meal would be a struggle. In captivity, its just given to them. Trust me, the only downside for animals that comes with domestication is being confined. But that's why its best to not have dogs unless you own a good amount of land for them to run around in. But really some dogs do fine with living indoors.
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#25
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Lol I was mostly kidding with that statement. And I do agree that animals probably don't give a shingding either way, but I still think it's wrong to an extent.


why so?
#26
Today I found a cat hanging off of a barbed wire fence. Its fur got caught on the top wire and it just hung there. I thought it was a bag or something until it looked at me. My dad would'nt let me get it off and went over with his knife. It went crazy and he just cut it's fur by the wire. Then it ran away.

Yeah but I think it's pretty stupid that if a dog or cat lives in the wild then they capture it and put it in a shelter. It's like they aren't allowed to live unless we have control of them.
#27
Animals aren't sentient. They don't need fulfillment or a sense of purpose. Their chief goal is to survive, and when they're domesticated (by a decent owner) it's ensured that all their basic needs are met. Therefore, being domesticated is the best thing that could happen to an animal.
#28
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I don't know, just a thought that crossed my mind a couple days ago while I was thinking about my cats and dog. Really, their ENTIRE lives consist of sleeping, eating, pooping, and laying around. A pretty bland and sad life to say the least. And for the most part, animals are confined to a very small area their whole lives too, not able to experience the world as they were meant to. But then again, maybe they don't mind in the slightest. Who knows..

My opinion: in the present day, I think domesticating animals is almost necessary because of how much land we've used up for housing and whatnot, but still wrong. They are (mostly) fed ridiculously disgusting food, and do absolutely nothing through the duration of their sad lives. I think it would be better if they could live a natural life, hunting in packs and actually accomplishing something (okay that sounds a bit ridiculous but you get the point hopefully).

Your thoughts?


you're silly. by domesticating animals we are basically ensuring their survival, while in the wild they have to overcome the adversities of natural selection. i'm assuming by talking about hunting in packs etc. you're talking about dogs, but dogs, as natural pack animals, will incorporate humans into their "pack" and will consider their family to be part of it. that's how you train a dog, you become it's pack leader and it listen to what you tell it to do. while yeah some dogs deserve more roaming space than they get, it really is FAR more beneficial for dogs these days than it is for humans. we treat dogs better than we treat each other.
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why so?


Well I just believe it's better to allow them to live a more natural life (even if over the years it's more natural for them to be domesticated, but you know what I mean). Why I believe that, I'm not entirely sure. I haven't had a LOT of thought about this subject. I just wanted to see what other people's thoughts were..
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#30
I don't care so much about domestication, but it always bugged me how almost every domesticated animal (like cats and dogs) get spayed and neutered. I completely understand the intentions of it, but it seems wrong to me to deny them their right to multiply. I mean, we are all animals anyways, and I am sure that we wouldn't like to be denied to have kids.
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Hey do you guys think that cats and dogs might walk on 2 feet in like a couple million years because thats what we did when we didn't need to walk on 4's and a tail.


if natural selection selects it to be beneficial to their survival. so i doubt it. humans walk on two legs because we evolved from a common ancestor as gorillas, who were selected because not walking on all fours left 2 hands open to use tools, what use to dogs have for tools? i could get into a big speech, but basically, no.
#32
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If they don't know something exists, and don't leave on their own to explore, I'd say they were happy.

My dog lived a happy life, it just pretty much ate and slept, but seemed happy as it was.

Pets create some kind of simbiosis (sp?), you want them for company and fun, and they rely on you to survive. I don't think it's wrong as long you do not abuse them.


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you're silly. by domesticating animals we are basically ensuring their survival, while in the wild they have to overcome the adversities of natural selection. i'm assuming by talking about hunting in packs etc. you're talking about dogs, but dogs, as natural pack animals, will incorporate humans into their "pack" and will consider their family to be part of it. that's how you train a dog, you become it's pack leader and it listen to what you tell it to do. while yeah some dogs deserve more roaming space than they get, it really is FAR more beneficial for dogs these days than it is for humans. we treat dogs better than we treat each other.


Good points.. I think I may have been looking far too into this idea. Just sometimes I look at my dog and he looks dreadfully bored, and he ALWAYS wants to go run outside, but we can't let him as we will probably never see him again =P
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Good points.. I think I may have been looking far too into this idea. Just sometimes I look at my dog and he looks dreadfully bored, and he ALWAYS wants to go run outside, but we can't let him as we will probably never see him again =P


Take him for a walk?
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Take him for a walk?


Haha yea we do that, but it's still very limiting in a way.
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#36
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Good points.. I think I may have been looking far too into this idea. Just sometimes I look at my dog and he looks dreadfully bored, and he ALWAYS wants to go run outside, but we can't let him as we will probably never see him again =P

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Also, do not think of your pets in human terms. No good will come of it.
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Good points.. I think I may have been looking far too into this idea. Just sometimes I look at my dog and he looks dreadfully bored, and he ALWAYS wants to go run outside, but we can't let him as we will probably never see him again =P


lol thanks man i know exactly what you mean though and i agree with you for sure.