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I have a Fender Frontman 15 W amplifier, and I want to get my first distortion pedal!!!!!!!!!! I thought about getting a Boss DS-1 Distortion Pedal, but someone posted a review that said that it sounds bad in solid-state amps. So what distortion pedal should I get for my solid-state amp?!?!!??!!?!?!?! Thank you very much for helping me!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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the Mt-2 is terrible. Personally I would suggest a Ibanez Tube King but those will set you back about 100 dollars. What you should do though is go to a store and see what you like and choose that way.
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A "tubescreamer" is a person paid by a guitarist to stand behind the amp and scream at the tubes. This terrifies the tubes into overdriving and delivers a thick, harmonic-rich tone.
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Thx both of you for replying so quickly!!!!!!!!!! I play rock, alternative, classic rock, and hard rock.
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DO NOT LISTEN TO THE GUY ABOVE ME
the Mt-2 is terrible. Personally I would suggest a Ibanez Tube King but those will set you back about 100 dollars. What you should do though is go to a store and see what you like and choose that way.


+1 The MT-2 Metal Zone Is horrible.

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for those id suggest music style id say a fuzz pedal or an od. fuzz= fuzz face. od=tube screamer808

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Well any pedal will give you a better sound. I wouldnt go for a tube screamer unless you have $150+ to shell out. Try a metal muff.
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Quote by mohawkkidJohn
for those id suggest music style id say a fuzz pedal or an od. fuzz= fuzz face. od=tube screamer808

now tell me, why would you get an OD pedal for a solid state amp? It makes no sense. And key word, he asked for a distortion. A tube screamer has barely any gain, it achieves gain by driving a TUBE amp.

I'm going to suggest that you find either one of those tube pedals, by companies such as vox. But i played some of those blackstar ones, but to be honest, i wasnt really that impressed. If you can afford it, a maxon sonic distortion isn't a bad pedal. Metal muffs arent too bad either, or even a sovtek muff if you're on a budget.

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Maxon-SD9-Sonic-Distortion?sku=155057
or
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Maxon-Reissue-Series-DS-II-Distortion-Sustainer-II-Pedal?sku=150277
you couldn't go wrong with either of those. although the reissue is kind of an OD too. But its more of a high output distortion pedal, thats all.
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now tell me, why would you get an OD pedal for a solid state amp? It makes no sense. And key word, he asked for a distortion. A tube screamer has barely any gain, it achieves gain by driving a TUBE amp.

I'm going to suggest that you find either one of those tube pedals, by companies such as vox. But i played some of those blackstar ones, but to be honest, i wasnt really that impressed. If you can afford it, a maxon sonic distortion isn't a bad pedal. Metal muffs arent too bad either, or even a sovtek muff if you're on a budget.

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Maxon-SD9-Sonic-Distortion?sku=155057
or
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Maxon-Reissue-Series-DS-II-Distortion-Sustainer-II-Pedal?sku=150277
you couldn't go wrong with either of those. although the reissue is kind of an OD too. But its more of a high output distortion pedal, thats all.


I agree. He doesn't need a fuzz box or an overdrive pedal. Although you can use a tubescreamer on a solid state amp to add a little more gain if its got a gain knob. I got one for my tube amp but i do that because my solid state amp lacks gain so it adds quite a bit. But this guy has no gain in the first place..... he wants a distortion pedal. Maxon all the way.
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the best solution to getting a good distortion pedal for a **** solid state amp is too well get a new amp
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Something i notice ALLOT in this forum is people saying get a new amp. Not everyone can afford a new amp.

Its really annoying when I ask a question relating to an effects pedal and everyone just says "Your amp is ****, Get a tube amp!"

'Guitar Gear and Accessories' should be renamed 'Guitar Amps'
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well its just fact that if he had a new amp he'd probably like it more. Most people can afford it if they got their stuff straight. Its just a matter of putting money back each week out of your check. I can afford whatever I want. Yeah I got tons of bills and I can't just go buy something at anytime but if I want something I can save up and buy it.
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Quote by Final !mpact
Something i notice ALLOT in this forum is people saying get a new amp. Not everyone can afford a new amp.

Its really annoying when I ask a question relating to an effects pedal and everyone just says "Your amp is ****, Get a tube amp!"

'Guitar Gear and Accessories' should be renamed 'Guitar Amps'



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look, the amp is what matters MOST to your sound, right?
so if you're unhappy with your sound, pedals aren't really going to fix it, at least not completely
especially the reason why we say get a new amp is because you've got a ss amp which honestly we all are thinking is either a mg, spider, flexwave, or a starter pack amp of some sort
save the money you would spend this and other pedals you were looking at, and get a new amp if you are unhappy with your tone
end of discussion

edit: HA i didn't even notice that you have a frontman 15 watt practice amp
good guess eh?
FOR SURE new amp
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Quote by acdclandon
MASSIVE FACEPALM
look, the amp is what matters MOST to your sound, right?
so if you're unhappy with your sound, pedals aren't really going to fix it, at least not completely
especially the reason why we say get a new amp is because you've got a ss amp which honestly we all are thinking is either a mg, spider, flexwave, or a starter pack amp of some sort
save the money you would spend this and other pedals you were looking at, and get a new amp if you are unhappy with your tone
end of discussion

edit: HA i didn't even notice that you have a frontman 15 watt practice amp
good guess eh?
FOR SURE new amp


Oh he has a 15 watt frontman? Ok now i agree with you. New amp.

Pedals dont go with low watt (especially CRAP) amps.
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Oh he has a 15 watt frontman? Ok now i agree with you. New amp.

Pedals dont go with low watt (especially CRAP) amps.


now you're talking some sense final impact
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I'm guessing that the reason you want a distortion pedal is because you don't like your amp's distortion?

The common sense rule of amps/pedals is, in my opinion, if you're not satisfied with how your amp sounds on its own, you won't be satisfied with how it sounds with pedals, so you should get a different amp.
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I second the Maxon SD-9, that thing sounds great.
Also:
MI Audio crunch box (I'm getting one soon)
AMT Electronics California Sound (Really want one but no stores here have it)

That should be a good start.

Oh, but you really should consider a better amp first.
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I mainly just want a distortion pedal to go from clean to distorted in live shows. But if you think i should get a new amp then what amp should I get on a low budget? Also, what's wrong with the Boss DS-1?
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You can use an overdrive pedal with a solid state but you usually keep the level down and turn up the gain or drive on the overdrive pedal. Overdrive pedals have clipping diodes inside them to help produce the sound of an overdriven tube amp. People used to use a clean boost or a treble boost with a tube amp to give them a push and tighten up tone. People also discoved you could use an overdrive pedal to give a clean boost to a tube amp by turning up the level and keeping the gain or drive down on the pedal some people also like to turn up the gain on the pedal a bit to add a bit more grit.
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Quote by stujomo
You can use an overdrive pedal with a solid state but you usually keep the level down and turn up the gain or drive on the overdrive pedal. Overdrive pedals have clipping diodes inside them to help produce the sound of an overdriven tube amp. People used to use a clean boost or a treble boost with a tube amp to give them a push and tighten up tone. People also discoved you could use an overdrive pedal to give a clean boost to a tube amp by turning up the level and keeping the gain or drive down on the pedal some people also like to turn up the gain on the pedal a bit to add a bit more grit.

OH MY GOD DUDE
Did you not read what i posted?
See, OD pedals were NOT made to be used on SS amps. OD pedals barely add ANY gain dude. They get gain by boosting TUBES. Alright, now if one more person says GET AN OD PEDAL, im going have an aneurysm. I'm not even kidding, this is so sad. People don't read the thread before they suggest something. (not all of this is directed at the dude i quoted.)

And actually, the clean boost came first. Clipping diodes were an afterthought. So actually people discovered that they could add distortion on to boosts.

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I mainly just want a distortion pedal to go from clean to distorted in live shows. But if you think i should get a new amp then what amp should I get on a low budget? Also, what's wrong with the Boss DS-1?


They're really bad. The worst combo you could do would be getting a DS-1 with a 15 watt solid state amp. it's not even funny how bad it sounds.

If you've got 150, get the sonic distortion, if you dont, and only have 100, get a Metal muff. If you dont have 100, save your cashmonies. If you have 250, get a blackheart little giant. (its an amp.)
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OH MY GOD DUDE
Did you not read what i posted?
See, OD pedals were NOT made to be used on SS amps. OD pedals barely add ANY gain dude. They get gain by boosting TUBES. Alright, now if one more person says GET AN OD PEDAL, im going have an aneurysm. I'm not even kidding, this is so sad. People don't read the thread before they suggest something. (not all of this is directed at the dude i quoted.)

And actually, the clean boost came first. Clipping diodes were an afterthought. So actually people discovered that they could add distortion on to boosts.


That's what you'd think but it's not true. My tube screamer adds way more gain to my solid state practice amp. On my tube amp it pushes the tubes harder and adds more gain if i keep pushing the gain knob. With the solid state of course theres nothing to push but turning the gain knob I get more gain. Don't ask how it does it. It just does.
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Alright, let's narrow it down. What is the best distortion pedal to get for a 15W amp on these 2 pages? http://www.guitarcenter.com/Overdrive--Distortion--Fuzz-and-Boost-Guitar-Effects-Pedals1,Page-2.gc?o=1&ipp=15

http://www.guitarcenter.com/Overdrive--Distortion--Fuzz-and-Boost-Guitar-Effects-Pedals1,Page-3.gc?o=1&ipp=15

And please don't tell me to buy a more expensive pedal, I have a $60 maybe even less budget. I just spent all of my money to start to build a recording studio. And this is my FIRST PEDAL we are talking about. I don't want it to be too expensive or I'll get nervous it would get lost, damaged, stolen or something. Plus if I were to save up that much money, I'd spend it on something else.
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I never said get an OD I said OD pedals will work with solid state they will give you a overdriven type tone by keeping the level low on the OD pedal and increase the drive on the od pedal to get the overdriven sound that you want. They may not sound the same as an overdriven tube amp but with something like a jazz chorus you can use an OD pedal to give a nice bluesy type of overdrive. The bad monkey will allow you to play direct into a mixer so guess what, must be those clipping diodes inside doing what they are supposed to do. Every amp has gain and gain stages thats how an amp works, gain is the increase in volume from one stage to the next. No gain no change in volume. Some amps don't have a knob marked gain but they still have gain otherwise they would not function as an amplifier. It has never been written anywhere that an OD pedal does not work with a solid state amp. Boss has demos of OD pedals with a Jazz chorus a solid state amp.
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Heres a quick quote from the Boss SD1 instuctions.

The Boss Super Overdrive has been designed to exactly replicate the sound of an overdriven tube amplifier when used in any amplification setup.
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If you really want a pedal then just get something cheap like a Behringer for a quick fix.

Long term look to save up for a new amp, there's no point spending much on a pedal because it'll just eat into your amp funds...$40 for a DS1 is the absolute most I'd recommend spending.

stuojomo - an overdrive pedal will simulate low level tube breakup but I don't think that's what he's looking for here.
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If you really want a pedal then just get something cheap like a Behringer for a quick fix.

Long term look to save up for a new amp, there's no point spending much on a pedal because it'll just eat into your amp funds...$40 for a DS1 is the absolute most I'd recommend spending.

stuojomo - an overdrive pedal will simulate low level tube breakup but I don't think that's what he's looking for here.


Right i agree. No hes not looking for an OD pedal. Just pointing out that an od pedal will add more gain if you've got a high gain amp. Even solid state... atleast the bad monkey does. But he needs a distortion pedal. Id say get that 20 dollar behringer.
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No I don't think that is what he wants. The problem is others also read this stuff and many times on here people have said an OD pedal does not work with a solid state amp. That just gets repeated with all of the same arguments which is not good for anyone. For a distortion pedal I like the demos of the MI audio crunch box wouldn't mind one myself for some low volume crunch from my Traynor.
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Quote by stujomo
I never said get an OD I said OD pedals will work with solid state they will give you a overdriven type tone by keeping the level low on the OD pedal and increase the drive on the od pedal to get the overdriven sound that you want. They may not sound the same as an overdriven tube amp but with something like a jazz chorus you can use an OD pedal to give a nice bluesy type of overdrive. The bad monkey will allow you to play direct into a mixer so guess what, must be those clipping diodes inside doing what they are supposed to do. Every amp has gain and gain stages thats how an amp works, gain is the increase in volume from one stage to the next. No gain no change in volume. Some amps don't have a knob marked gain but they still have gain otherwise they would not function as an amplifier. It has never been written anywhere that an OD pedal does not work with a solid state amp. Boss has demos of OD pedals with a Jazz chorus a solid state amp.

You just dont get it, do you?
We'll go from the bottom up this time. Not ONCE did i say that an OD pedal wont work with a solid state amp. Anything that passes a signal through will work with any kind of amplifier.
Gain is another word name for preamp volume man.
OD pedals DO have clipping diodes. Specifically to emulate slight TUBE breakup. right. I see you understand that. Now, what you dont seem to realize here is that a clean boost doesnt simply increase volume. It also adds a bit of "gain" by pushing the tubes harder. When you put the gain on an OD pedal down to 0 and put the drive/output/volume to max, did you ever notice that you get a gain increase? Even though the distortion is non existant in the pedal.
My point is WHY waste your money on an OD pedal for a solid state amp, when they were made specifically for tube amps? more than half the point of an OD pedal is for the boost, not the distortion part of it. So why not just get a DISTORTION pedal like the poor guy asked?


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a bad monkey tube overdrive for example has both.... the level button cranked will add your power amp gain... it also has a gain knob that adds preamp gain before your actual preamp. The guy needs a distortion pedal no doubt.
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Quote by solidsnake15
a bad monkey tube overdrive for example has both.... the level button cranked will add your power amp gain... it also has a gain knob that adds preamp gain before your actual preamp. The guy needs a distortion pedal no doubt.

So does every other OD pedal. Its called clipping diodes, and output.
Distortion for sure though.
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Hello an SS amp is all i can get so i cant buy tube and why is it better to buy a modeller a watched a movie in youtube a guy who had a marshall mg30dfx(know its crap) and a metal muff and he could get a good in flames tone which i want. so why you prefer modellers over a amp and pedal... you can adjust more settings from a pedal than the ****ttty eq of cube... am not i right please explain.
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it aint about how much you can adjust its the overall tone. The cube sounds better than that fender regardless of how many knobs or switches you turn.
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Quote by steven seagull
If you really want a pedal then just get something cheap like a Behringer for a quick fix.

Long term look to save up for a new amp, there's no point spending much on a pedal because it'll just eat into your amp funds...$40 for a DS1 is the absolute most I'd recommend spending.

stuojomo - an overdrive pedal will simulate low level tube breakup but I don't think that's what he's looking for here.

+1


Just get a crappy distortion pedal and to help out your current amp and start saving for a better one....
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The best i can buy is a 30 watt ss amp maximum i cant bring a 50 watt valveking while i cant even turn up my cube's volume up. they are expensive too. so i can buy a modeller or a amp and pedal but i dont know why the pedal seems a better idea than a modeller.
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Quote by newbienewbie
I have a Fender Frontman 15 W amplifier, and I want to get my first distortion pedal!!!!!!!!!! I thought about getting a Boss DS-1 Distortion Pedal, but someone posted a review that said that it sounds bad in solid-state amps. So what distortion pedal should I get for my solid-state amp?!?!!??!!?!?!?! Thank you very much for helping me!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It's rather funny because I had a Fender Frontman 15G and my first distortion pedal was/still is a Boss DS-1.

I can tell you know it won't be tonal bliss but it got the job done until I got a Vox ad30vt. I'm still using the DS-1 now but hoping to replace it very soon with something that compliments my Classic 50.

So the DS-1 isn't bad, to be honest not many distortion pedals can make the 15G sound too good. With the DS-1 you don't drop too much cash on it and there are options to mod it later on after you replace the 15G. Of course the pedal also depends on what sounds you want.
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This is a serious query. I've found that the tone in every solid state amp I've tried sounds fake and cardboardy....to the extent that I consider them "toy" amps.
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Quote by Final !mpact
Something i notice ALLOT in this forum is people saying get a new amp. Not everyone can afford a new amp.

Its really annoying when I ask a question relating to an effects pedal and everyone just says "Your amp is ****, Get a tube amp!"

'Guitar Gear and Accessories' should be renamed 'Guitar Amps'


I have no problem with doing that why don't we have a seperate thread for effects and amps. HC does
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