#1
So I decided to put my music theory skills to the test that I learned in school. I took the sweetest scale that I have ever come across. (Spanish Gypsy baby!)

So I figured out the chords progression I should use. ( I don’t think I did that right tho because I used a 1,4,5 progression……. And I don’t think, for some reason, that for this scale its right…. Maybe it is, maybe not, because im not that bright in this subject yet.)

Heres the scale : A, A#, C#, D, E, F, G, A

So heres the chords

e--5-----10------12
b--5-----10------11
g--6-----10------12
d--7-----12------14

I think that’s it.

Hers the scale in the 12 position (which is what I used to solo&hellip\



And heres the full scale



So what I really wanna know is did I get the chord progression right for the scale that I used to solo over? (I wanted to make it in A)??
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#3
im not sure because im not familiar with the scale like i am majors and such. the scale sounds so cool tho. when i play it, i get this wierd feeling like i should be in the desert riding camels.
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#4
It's more commonly known as Phrygian Dominant, the fifth mode of harmonic minor. The scale is spelled A Bb C# D E F G to keep it diatonic (you had A#, that was the only error). Your progression with the I-iv-vdim is correct, however.
#5
I think that's A Phrygian Dominant. Your biggest concern with Phrygian dominant is to make it resolve to the tonic (A), instead of the subdominant (D).
The chords which you can use are:
Amajor
Bbmajor
C#Dim
D Minor
E Dim
F Aug
G minor

That looks right to me, although I have no instrument handy.
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It's more commonly known as Phrygian Dominant, the fifth mode of harmonic minor. The scale is spelled A Bb C# D E F G to keep it diatonic (you had A#, that was the only error). Your progression with the I-iv-vdim is correct, however.


I'm not trying to sound like I think you're wrong. I legitimately don't know the answer to this and need it explained. Why is the I iv vdim progression correct? What makes it the progression he should use instead of say I IV V? Thanks
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I'm not trying to sound like I think you're wrong. I legitimately don't know the answer to this and need it explained. Why is the I iv vdim progression correct? What makes it the progression he should use instead of say I IV V? Thanks

Because you're building it off the scale he gave, and that's what the degrees naturally are. Let's look at the scale:
A Bb C# D E F G
Now, building a triad off of A, we get A C# E. That's A major, our I.

Building off of D, the fourth degree, we get D F A, or D minor. That's iv (not IV, uppercase implies major).

Finally, E is our fifth degree and we get the triad of E G Bb, which is an Edim triad. It's notated as ivdim because I can't be bothered to find the degree symbol in Word and paste it. So we end up with A, Dm and Edim, or I-iv-vdim.

Is that any help?
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Because you're building it off the scale he gave, and that's what the degrees naturally are. Let's look at the scale:
A Bb C# D E F G
Now, building a triad off of A, we get A C# E. That's A major, our I.

Building off of D, the fourth degree, we get D F A, or D minor. That's iv (not IV, uppercase implies major).

Finally, E is our fifth degree and we get the triad of E G Bb, which is an Edim triad. It's notated as ivdim because I can't be bothered to find the degree symbol in Word and paste it. So we end up with A, Dm and Edim, or I-iv-vdim.

Is that any help?


Yes thanks so much. So if you did for some reason play A major, D major and E major as the chord progression, you couldn't use the scale mentioned above and have it sound "right" because the chords wouldn't have been constructed from that scale. Am I right?
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Yes thanks so much. So if you did for some reason play A major, D major and E major as the chord progression, you couldn't use the scale mentioned above and have it sound "right" because the chords wouldn't have been constructed from that scale. Am I right?

Yes, exactly: you'd be playing the notes A Bb C# D E F G over chords consisting of the notes A C# E D F# G# B so you have a few notes that would really clash.
#10
how do the chords effect the relationship to the tonic(A). with the IV moving towards I and V away, how does iv and vdim change the relationship, and how does it change it if the tonic is minor? sorry if this is the wrong place
#11
One more thing, I read in the sticky that major triads are 1 3 5, minor are 1 b3 5, etc. When the triads above were constructed, they used the major interval, 1 3 5. So, does the key determine which interval will be used for triad construction? Say, if a piece is in A major like the one above, the major interval will be used to construct the other triads as well? It appears that the D minor chord was constructed using the major interval. D F A were pulled from the scale (A Bb C# D E F G) and follow the 1 3 5 interval. Have I made any sense whatsoever?
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One more thing, I read in the sticky that major triads are 1 3 5, minor are 1 b3 5, etc. When the triads above were constructed, they used the major interval, 1 3 5. So, does the key determine which interval will be used for triad construction? Say, if a piece is in A major like the one above, the major interval will be used to construct the other triads as well? It appears that the D minor chord was constructed using the major interval. D F A were pulled from the scale (A Bb C# D E F G) and follow the 1 3 5 interval. Have I made any sense whatsoever?

You've made sense -- there's one thing you've overlooked. Everything is relative to its construction in the major scale. For example, in a D major scale you have an F#, so that's your 3. In the scale he gave us, it's an F. Therefore, because your F# would be 3 relative to D, you've flattened it so it becomes a b3, and your D minor is built 1 b3 5.
#13
Oh ok that explains it. So when constructing your triads, do you strictly use the notes from the scale that determines the key? Or, would you use notes from A major for your A chord, D major for your D chord etc?
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One more thing, I read in the sticky that major triads are 1 3 5, minor are 1 b3 5, etc. When the triads above were constructed, they used the major interval, 1 3 5. So, does the key determine which interval will be used for triad construction? Say, if a piece is in A major like the one above, the major interval will be used to construct the other triads as well? It appears that the D minor chord was constructed using the major interval. D F A were pulled from the scale (A Bb C# D E F G) and follow the 1 3 5 interval. Have I made any sense whatsoever?


Triads are constructed within a scale by stacking thirds.

Whether it's a major or minor third is determined by the number of half tones between each step.

When constructing harmonized triads from a scale you always select 1 3 5 intervals. Whether the interval between each step is major or minor is determined by how many half steps exist between the two notes.

Hence in a minor scale you would still select the 1st 3rd and 5th notes of the scale to generate the harmonized chord.

Example

Aminor scale= A B C D E F G A

1st step = A
3rd step = C
5th step = E.

This is minor because the interval between A and C is made up of a Whole tone plus a Semi Tone (or three half steps).

When someone talks about 1 b3 5 as the step pattern in a minor chord think of it as illustrating how the minor chord relates to the Major Chord.
i.e. The Major Chord is 1 3 5
The minor Chord is 1 b3 5 ( this is saying it is the same as the Major Chord but the third is flatted or lowered one half step.
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No man you have helped me make sense of this too. Thanks guys for the help and patience. I'm gonna take what I've learned and just let it kinda soak in before i go any further. I think I'm starting to get this stuff, I just have to take it slow. Thanks again