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#3
There's already a thread on this. And I mean with the same exact thing you posted, not to mention the endless ones about the same issue.
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#4
lets not have a pointless thread that will result in you getting reported


EDIT: whoops...too late

*reported* no vs threads (especially about tubes vs SS)
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Shreadhead22 had nothing helpful to say to me. He just immediatly started being a prick.

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#5
Quote by Fama
There's already a thread on this. And I mean with the same exact thing you posted, not to mention the endless ones about the same issue.

link ?


i searched, but found nothing with the link in the OP.
#6
Quote by The red Strat.
link ?


i searched, but found nothing with the link in the OP.

Meh, can't be arsed to search because I don't have any better keywords apart from "tube vs. ss". But I've read that same test before, and I'm sure it was in a thread about the same topic. It might not have been in the OP tho, I'm not sure about that.
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#7
Schmeh. The debate will never end. Nobody really cares that much except for the tube fanatics and solid-state nutters. I'm personally going to go with a tube amp, everybody else can do what they like.
#8
I really don't understand the whole modling thing completly, I do see how it would be nice to have an AC 30 for instance for rythm and plexi for your leads with one awesome amp, but I mean really, I don't think they will ever replace tubes amps. I don't understand why anyone would want anything less than a tube amp, why try to re-envent the wheel here. IMO this is a good comparison, I can listen to sound clips of a corvette reving its engine, or get into an awesome simulator, but no matter how good the recording or the simulator it will never be like I am really right next to the corvette listening or setting behind the drivers seat. Thats how I see modeling amps, all they are is tube copying simulators trying to replicate a tone that come from electron tubes cliping and do not do it complete justice. I thinking modelers will only get better, and amps like the line 6 Vetta are good amps don't get me wrong, but still its not the same as being in the presance of tubes actually cliping.
As far as the link test results I think the results are biased/skeewd.
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#10
Quote by Fama
Meh, can't be arsed to search because I don't have any better keywords apart from "tube vs. ss". But I've read that same test before, and I'm sure it was in a thread about the same topic. It might not have been in the OP tho, I'm not sure about that.

no no, i meant that i didn't find a thread that contained the same link as in my OP.

Quote by solidsnake15
I wasn't even aware this was a debate. I thought it was just tubes couldn't be matched and that was it.

STFU '08 er
Last edited by The red Strat. at Jun 23, 2008,
#11
'08er? is that because i joined in 08? yeah im new here. I was on guitarists.net for a long time but no one talks on there. But it was a little more laid back. Like here you have those nerds who will go off on you for posting something in the wrong section. Its like its just a forum man!!!! jesus! Thats what I like about harmony central. Those guys talk about anything in the gear forum lol. From presidential debates to video games to porn stars.
#12
Quote:
Originally Posted by solidsnake15
I wasn't even aware this was a debate. I thought it was just tubes couldn't be matched and that was it.


STFU '08 er


dude your like a sophmore thinking he's better than a freshman, whatta kook
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#14
Its impossible for ss modelling to completely replicate the sound of tube amplifiers because of the randomness in tubes(bad phrasing whatever), although modellers have algorithms for it, it just can never be the exact same ss and tube amps will always be different.

I prefer tube amps and there are good ss amps but for the price i would rather get a tube amp.
#15
Quote by The red Strat.
STFU '08 er


STFU eletist '07er
Quote by pedaler466
Shreadhead22 had nothing helpful to say to me. He just immediatly started being a prick.

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#16
Quote by The red Strat.
no no, i meant that i didn't find a thread that contained the same link as in my OP.


STFU '08 er

STFU yourself.

Links:

https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/forum/search.php?searchid=3054337

There are quite of few similar threads listed there.

And for the '08 thing, if you're dumb enough to think that just because someone joined this site in '08 they are new to guitar overall, you better reconsider.

Note to you: UG =/= measure of skill and experience. Any 10 year-old with an email address can sign up for an account.
#17
Quote by The red Strat.
I was under the impression that using a '' means that you're not serious/joking.

Yeah people can take stuff too seriously. Although the comment wasn't necessarily justified lol.
#18
Quote by TheProducer
STFU yourself.

Links:

https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/forum/search.php?searchid=3054337

There are quite of few similar threads listed there.

And for the '08 thing, if you're dumb enough to think that just because someone joined this site in '08 they are new to guitar overall, you better reconsider.

Note to you: UG =/= measure of skill and experience. Any 10 year-old with an email address can sign up for an account.

Dude, i was joking for ****s sake ! the only guy that actually understood that was shredhead22...


sure, but (as far as i know) not about the link in the OP.
besides, if we can have 10 'post your gas list' threads a week, why not 10 'tube vs SS' a week ? they're more informative than gas lists most of the time
#19
I think it really comes down to using what you like and what works for you. I doubt whether most people listing could tell or even care if a guitarist uses tubes or solidstate. What is important is that you enjoy what you are doing whether that is playing by yourself, playing in a band or actualy being good enough to entertain others.
#20
Quote by The red Strat.
Dude, i was joking for ****s sake ! the only guy that actually understood that was shredhead22...


sure, but (as far as i know) not about the link in the OP.

Regardless of whether or not I know you're joking (as I discerned from shrehead22's post) it still isn't a response you should say to new member. Especially one who has offered a genuine opinion about something and hasn't spammed or said something stupid. It does not foster a comfortable environment for new users who may not know you're joking and they may very well leave the forum thinking that it's too 'elitist' for them. It's tempting, considering how arrogant a lot of people are on here.
#21
I do believe within the next 3-5 years tube amps will be obsolete. I have full faith in solid state technology but currently, in a live situation, tube amps are much more practical. In a recording, or lower volume situation, it's a toss up. Most great recorded tones on CD's and such are tube amps, but there are a ton of great tones on Youtube of POD's recorded directly.
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#22
Quote by TheProducer
Regardless of whether or not I know you're joking (as I discerned from shrehead22's post) it still isn't a response you should say to new member. Especially one who has offered a genuine opinion about something and hasn't spammed or said something stupid. It does not foster a comfortable environment for new users who may not know you're joking and they may very well leave the forum thinking that it's too 'elitist' for them. It's tempting, considering how arrogant a lot of people are on here.

perhaps not, OK. but in the end, it was still just a joke.

'or has said something stupid'... it wasn't exactly the smartest thing ever to say, because it was pretty arrogant and wrong too.


I agree, it may give the wrong impression if they don't realize it's a joke, and there are a lot of arrogant people on here, indeed.


phew, i think i'm gonna wait a few months until i start to make jokes again .
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Quote by The red Strat.
perhaps not, OK. but in the end, it was still just a joke.

'or has said something stupid'... it wasn't exactly the smartest thing ever to say, because it was pretty arrogant and wrong too.


I agree, it may give the wrong impression if they don't realize it's a joke, and there are a lot of arrogant people on here, indeed.


phew, i think i'm gonna wait a few months until i start to make jokes again .


Haha, cheers brother, no problems. I just hate to think people might get scared away.

Quote by MESAexplorer
I do believe within the next 3-5 years tube amps will be obsolete. I have full faith in solid state technology but currently, in a live situation, tube amps are much more practical. In a recording, or lower volume situation, it's a toss up. Most great recorded tones on CD's and such are tube amps, but there are a ton of great tones on Youtube of POD's recorded directly.

Are you high?
#24
Quote by TheProducer
Haha, cheers brother, no problems. I just hate to think people might get scared away.


Are you high?




+1
#25
digital can never be as good as analogue because the audio signal is always going to be degraded, no matter the bit rate and sampling rate, simply because these "rates" exist. Therefore tube = better sound quality than SS modelling. Digital was accepted as the industry standard because it opened up so many new manipulation possibilities in terms of production that nobody noticed how **** it sounded. Listen to something from the early 1970s. I don't care that its nearly 40 years old, it sounds so much better, quality-wise than anything which has been released recently.
I like analogue Solid State amps that make no effort to be "tube-like", and I'm proud of it...

...A little too proud, to be honest.
#26
sure, but don't you think modelers will come to a point where the human ear will not be able to hear the degradation anymore ?
#27
Quote by TheProducer


Are you high?


You're questioning me?

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You fail.
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#28
Quote by MESAexplorer
You're questioning me?

Hughes & Kettner Zen-Tera

You fail.

sure, but don't you think there will still be tube purists that will use them, just 'cause ?
#29
Quote by The red Strat.
sure, but don't you think modelers will come to a point where the human ear will not be able to hear the degradation anymore ?

Perhaps, but that's not the only thing to consider. It's hard to explain, but even if that happened people would still prefer tube, I would think. Partly because of the 'purity' of them and partly for the same reasons some people still prefer listening to records over CDs.

Just my two cents.
#30
Quote by MESAexplorer
You're questioning me?

Hughes & Kettner Zen-Tera

You fail.

Yep, I fail big time.

Tube amps aren't going to be obsolete in 3-5 years, sorry.

EDIT: I would take a good 30 watt tube amp over that over price zenTera (That's how it's written, Mr. know-it-all) anyday. It's horribly overpriced anyways.
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#31
Quote by The red Strat.
sure, but don't you think there will still be tube purists that will use them, just 'cause ?


Thats besides the point. Just because something is obsolete doesn't stop people from using it.
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#32
Quote by TheProducer
Yep, I fail big time. :rolleyes

Tube amps aren't going to be obsolete in 3-5 years, sorry.

wowow, i'm not following. you realize i have the same opinion as you on that subject, right ?

Quote by MESAexplorer
Thats besides the point. Just because something is obsolete doesn't stop people from using it.

good point. I doubt SS will be able to sound just like tube amps in 5 years though. time will tell.
#33
Quote by The red Strat.
wowow, i'm not following. you realize i have the same opinion as you on that subject, right ?

S**t, I quoted the wrong person! Sorry man!

Fixed!
#35
Quote by MESAexplorer
Thats besides the point. Just because something is obsolete doesn't stop people from using it.

Exactly. Think classic cars.
#36
Quote by The red Strat.
sure, but don't you think modelers will come to a point where the human ear will not be able to hear the degradation anymore ?

well, theres a reason the sample rate of a CD is more than twice the human hearing range - even though we can't directly hear it? its because the harmonics still effect the sound. the only way that could happen is to have a sampling rate higher than any of the harmonics on any of the instruments used, and using a bitrate which has more levels of quantize than changes in volume our ears can recognise. once you get to that point, you might as well just store it on an analogue device, since the audio file would be ABSOLUTELY FUAKING HUGE LOL.

and then theres the argument about how all digital units of the same product will sound EXACTLY the same and never develop unique characteristics through excessive use, unlike analogue units, which give analogue sounds a lot more personality.
I like analogue Solid State amps that make no effort to be "tube-like", and I'm proud of it...

...A little too proud, to be honest.
#37
Quote by The red Strat.
wowow, i'm not following. you realize i have the same opinion as you on that subject, right ?


good point. I doubt SS will be able to sound just like tube amps in 5 years though. time will tell.


SS and modeling are quite different. You have the Mos-Fet which isn't actually modeling, but produces the desired guitar frequency, then you have modeling, which replicates an amps strong points.

As far as SS goes, there are a ton of great SS amps out there. Yamaha G-100, Roland Jazz Chorus, Mackie Hotwire, Fender Jazz King, Fender Steel King

Then you have the modelers, which are doing well, but not perfected. Line 6 DuoVerb, Vetta, HD-147, Flextone, Fender Cyber Twin for example. Then you have the high quality modelers, such as the Hughes and Kettner Zen tera, Rocktron Prophesy, and there is another preamp that sounds huge, gotta find it.

The technology is there, it's just gotta be assembled.


And still when you think about it, tube amps lack versatility. The Mesa Roadking, which has the most diversity in a tube amp that I've ever used still lacked a bit of tonal control (all amps need a GEQ!!!) and wasn't 100% ideal for me.

On the other hand, I could sell all my tube amps, buy 2 Line 6 HD-147's, for much less than my total tube amp value, no need to buy effects, and be way more portable than 2 tube heads, 2 effects units, channel controller, etc...Solid state can be way more convienant.
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#38
Quote by MESAexplorer
SS and modeling are quite different. You have the Mos-Fet which isn't actually modeling, but produces the desired guitar frequency, then you have modeling, which replicates an amps strong points.

As far as SS goes, there are a ton of great SS amps out there. Yamaha G-100, Roland Jazz Chorus, Mackie Hotwire, Fender Jazz King, Fender Steel King

Then you have the modelers, which are doing well, but not perfected. Line 6 DuoVerb, Vetta, HD-147, Flextone, Fender Cyber Twin for example. Then you have the high quality modelers, such as the Hughes and Kettner Zen tera, Rocktron Prophesy, and there is another preamp that sounds huge, gotta find it.

The technology is there, it's just gotta be assembled.

sorry, i meant modeling.
#39
Quote by MESAexplorer
SS and modeling are quite different. You have the Mos-Fet which isn't actually modeling, but produces the desired guitar frequency, then you have modeling, which replicates an amps strong points.

As far as SS goes, there are a ton of great SS amps out there. Yamaha G-100, Roland Jazz Chorus, Mackie Hotwire, Fender Jazz King, Fender Steel King

Then you have the modelers, which are doing well, but not perfected. Line 6 DuoVerb, Vetta, HD-147, Flextone, Fender Cyber Twin for example. Then you have the high quality modelers, such as the Hughes and Kettner Zen tera, Rocktron Prophesy, and there is another preamp that sounds huge, gotta find it.

The technology is there, it's just gotta be assembled.

I believe he meant that modeling amps are usually solid state as opposed to tube.
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