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#1
And I'd like to know more about the personal experiences of the people of America, Britain, France, Canada and any other country for that matter, when it comes to dealing with their country's healthcare system.

Is it as good or bad as Michael Moore has portrayed them?

Also what are your opinions on what political leaders in the running have to say about their healthcare reforms.
#2
I haven't seen the film but I guess universal health care is a good, it gets the job done for everyone but it has drawbacks just like any other heath care system.
#3
Pretty bad in Britain.

I've been told to go home and 'wait and see' when I had potentially lethal DVT because they couldn't spare a bed for me.
#4
well.. I'm 21.

since I'm out of school now, I no longer have insurance and my job doesn't offer it to me for another 6 months. In the meantime, I'm hoping that my kidney stone doesn't decide to pass, hoping I don't break any limbs, and if I do I'm hoping it's at my job so I get workman's comp, otherwise I'm screwed.

It's not a fun feeling to live with, knowing that if you go to the hospital, you won't be able to afford it without going into debt for 18 months, and also knowing that you have a kidney stone (apparently the only comparable pain to child birth) and may have to pass it without painkillers.

I haven't seen SiCKO so I can't say if his claims are accurate but I do think he did a fairly good job on Bowling for Columbine and to a lesser extent fahrenheit 9/11.

i'd say social health care would be feasible if the federal government loosened its hold on education and stopped spending hundreds of billions on a war.
#6
Its fine in canada, yeah some waiting lines but thats because there are a ****load of old people here who just go to the hospital.
#7
I saw that movie at my university, and afterwards there was a panel discussion with actual doctors and other men and women in various positions of the healthcare system, in and outside of the US.

Now, I hate Michael Moore, and the way he manipulates the facts and twists things towards his agenda. God knows he did it in Bowling for Columbine, and Fahrenheit 9/11.

So I asked the panel of doctors and so forth, how accurate all this was. Some of them had seen the movie before, some of them hadn't. They all said that it was pretty much all accurate and true. That horrified me.

The only thing that they said was skewed was the interview with the doctor in the UK, who despite being a part of the socialized system, still made a lot of money. According to them, most doctors aren't that well off.
#8
I live in the UK(Scotland). In the past 6 years, I've required extensive medical treatment, including 7 operations. As a result of one, I am now exempt from prescription charges, although the Executive is currently looking at following Wales in making all prescriptions free.
During the past 6 years, I have suffered from several HAIs, including MRSA(twice) and Clostridium difficile(once).
There's more good than bad about the NHS, but there is still VAST room for improvement.
#9
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Pretty bad in Britain.

I've been told to go home and 'wait and see' when I had potentially lethal DVT because they couldn't spare a bed for me.

He made it look great in the film. Can you really get all the drugs you need for 6.65 pounds? That looked a bit dodgy.

Also in America and other places is private healthcare without insurance expensive?
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I live in the UK(Scotland). In the past 6 years, I've required extensive medical treatment, including 7 operations. As a result of one, I am now exempt from prescription charges, although the Executive is currently looking at following Wales in making all prescriptions free.
During the past 6 years, I have suffered from several HAIs, including MRSA(twice) and Clostridium difficile(once).
There's more good than bad about the NHS, but there is still VAST room for improvement.

As happy as I am that you're in good health, how do you manage to get all that?
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He made it look great in the film. Can you really get all the drugs you need for 6.65 pounds? That looked a bit dodgy.

Also in America and other places is private healthcare without insurance expensive?

As happy as I am that you're in good health, how do you manage to get all that?



I don't know if it's 'ALL' drugs. I know there was this big scandal about these prescription diet pills you are only supposed to give to morbidly obese people because they are so effective, and they were giving them out to perfectly healthy size 10-ish women who wanted to lose weight but not go on a diet. They sent people of different sizes in to do undercover tests on it, and all of them got prescribed the diet pills even though they weren't allowed and didn't need them.
#13
i'm in Canada, and the only problem with our healthcare system to me, is waiting in line. unless you are in dire need of medical assistance, you need to wait in an emergency room for a little while. that, and paying for your perscription, but it is rarely a burning whole in your pocket. Canada ftw.
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#14
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Pretty bad in Britain.

I've been told to go home and 'wait and see' when I had potentially lethal DVT because they couldn't spare a bed for me.


Then they've incorrectly accounted for population.

It's better than being given a choice between hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt and living.
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Quote by Shred Head
He made it look great in the film. Can you really get all the drugs you need for 6.65 pounds? That looked a bit dodgy.

Also in America and other places is private healthcare without insurance expensive?

As happy as I am that you're in good health, how do you manage to get all that?

Prescription charging varies in the UK. In Wales, prescriptions are free, in Scotland they are currently cheaper than in England/NI(not sure how much, because I haven't paid for a prescription in almost 5 years), where each prescription item costs £7.10. Basically, if you get prescribed, say 2 different antibiotics, you would pay £14.20.
EDIT: Medication prescribed while you're in hospital is free, and upon discharge, they'll give you 7 days worth of any drug you'll need for a week or more.
Also, I got 'all that' by being damn ill, and almost dieing on a couple of occasions.
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#16
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Also in America and other places is private healthcare without insurance expensive?



Hell yes. And depending on how bad of an illness you have, you get charged accordingly.

Cancer treatment costs hundreds of thousands of dollars.
#17
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I don't know if it's 'ALL' drugs. I know there was this big scandal about these prescription diet pills you are only supposed to give to morbidly obese people because they are so effective, and they were giving them out to perfectly healthy size 10-ish women who wanted to lose weight but not go on a diet. They sent people of different sizes in to do undercover tests on it, and all of them got prescribed the diet pills even though they weren't allowed and didn't need them.

So in England you pay absolutely nothing? At all? No matter what's wrong with you? What about prescription drugs? Congrats on passing BTW
#18
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i'm in Canada, and the only problem with our healthcare system to me, is waiting in line. unless you are in dire need of medical assistance, you need to wait in an emergency room for a little while. that, and paying for your perscription, but it is rarely a burning whole in your pocket. Canada ftw.

Aye.

I always see several segments/articles in the news saying how some old person had to go to the States to get their knee surgery because they had to wait several months for their surgery here in Canada.
#19
hmmm...

micheal moore, rosie odonnel.....

does anyone else see the connection between being a radical liberal and being a hideous fatass?
#20
Britain sucks unless you go private, and since Sicko is basically propaganda against the privatisation of healthcare establishments, I'm guessing that's not what Moore was going for.

He makes us look better than we are. A lot of people avoid going to hospital. For example, people recover from surgery at home, because they don't want to be in our crappy hospitals.
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#21
living in canada, i haven't had any problems.

sure it might take longer.. but when i'm waiting in line.. i think about the people who can't go at all.

I'm pretty lucky.
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Prescription charging varies in the UK. In Wales, prescriptions are free, in Scotland they are currently cheaper than in England/NI(not sure how much, because I haven't paid for a prescription in almost 5 years), where each prescription item costs £7.10. Basically, if you get prescribed, say 2 different antibiotics, you would pay £14.20.
EDIT: Medication prescribed while you're in hospital is free, and upon discharge, they'll give you 7 days worth of any drug you'll need for a week or more.
Also, I got 'all that' by being damn ill, and almost dieing on a couple of occasions.

My God, how?
#23
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So in England you pay absolutely nothing? At all? No matter what's wrong with you? What about prescription drugs? Congrats on passing BTW



You pay a bit of money, like £7 or £8 for the prescription. Our hospitals are filthy though, riddled with c dificile and MRSA, lots of people go in for routine procedures then die of superbugs caught due to the dirty hospitals.

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My God, how?



Tax. Lots and lots of tax.
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So in England you pay absolutely nothing? At all? No matter what's wrong with you? What about prescription drugs? Congrats on passing BTW

well, if i understand it correctly, it's not that you don't pay, it's that you pay for it in your taxes. The same as how public schooling is here. The only thing that would aggrivate me is paying for someone else's bills. I guess it would really depend on how much I would have to pay, though..


edit: Totally missed the second page. oh well
#25
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Britain sucks unless you go private, and since Sicko is basically propaganda against the privatisation of healthcare establishments, I'm guessing that's not what Moore was going for.

He makes us look better than we are. A lot of people avoid going to hospital. For example, people recover from surgery at home, because they don't want to be in our crappy hospitals.

Also, they kick you out as fast as possible, so they can put someone else in your bed. It's thought to be a significant factor in infection rates.
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Tax. Lots and lots of tax.


I think he was actually asking how MightyAl almost died...
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#27
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I think he was actually asking how MightyAl almost died...



Oh

Still, we do get taxed a LOT. My boyfriend gets about £50 a week taken from him in tax. Although he may be on the wrong tax code. But he'll never get it returned to him.
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I think he was actually asking how MightyAl almost died...

Exactly, I re-read my post and I still don't get what "tax" was a response to. Is that what people in the west blame everything on?
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Oh

Still, we do get taxed a LOT. My boyfriend gets about £50 a week taken from him in tax. Although he may be on the wrong tax code. But he'll never get it returned to him.

Just to prove my point
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#29
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Oh

Still, we do get taxed a LOT. My boyfriend gets about £50 a week taken from him in tax. Although he may be on the wrong tax code. But he'll never get it returned to him.


Which is why we have to take liberties with our government.

Steal pens from public establishments, and get all the free healthcare you can, and make sure you go to school until 18.
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Exactly, I re-read my post and I still don't get what "tax" was a response to. Is that what people in the west blame everything on?


Mistress Ibanez thought you were asking how we can afford to have healthcare for free, and what basically happens is that the government taxes us more so they have money to give to the healthcare system.

EDIT: I should resolve international misunderstandings for a living.
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#31
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Exactly, I re-read my post and I still don't get what "tax" was a response to. Is that what people in the west blame everything on?



I meant that is how we are able to get it all so cheap, because the government get so much money from us in tax they can afford to set up things like the NHS. Though not to maintain it apparently.
#32
The NHS here in the UK has a lot of problems but I'm glad we have it.

People complain about the waiting lists, but the fact is if you're hurt or sick you'll get treatment.

It just needs to be funded correctly and to have needless bureaucracy trimmed.
#33
Michael Moore needs to choke on a hot dog...

That douche is just another left-wing antagonist who's ideals are bought off and portrayed as some intelligent liberal bs... Don't worry about what Michael Moore has to say about America's health-care system, because he's the least knowledgeable in the field of health-care, I feel we can all agree.
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Quote by Raven*
Michael Moore needs to choke on a hot dog...

That douche is just another left-wing antagonist who's ideals are bought off and portrayed as some intelligent liberal bs... Don't worry about what Michael Moore has to say about America's health-care system, because he's the least knowledgeable in the field of health-care, I feel we can all agree.

Thank you for managing to say nothing in so many words.
#35
Public healthcare in this country is non-existent, you have to pay if you want to see tomorrow's sunset. It isn't as absurdly expensive but still pretty pricey. Where's all the Yanks?
Quote by Mistress_Ibanez
I meant that is how we are able to get it all so cheap, because the government get so much money from us in tax they can afford to set up things like the NHS. Though not to maintain it apparently.


Quote by break-me-in
Mistress Ibanez thought you were asking how we can afford to have healthcare for free, and what basically happens is that the government taxes us more so they have money to give to the healthcare system.

EDIT: I should resolve international misunderstandings for a living.

I do know how tax works, I'm not a moron
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My God, how?

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The NHS here in the UK has a lot of problems but I'm glad we have it.

People complain about the waiting lists, but the fact is if you're hurt or sick you'll get treatment.

It just needs to be funded correctly and to have needless bureaucracy trimmed.

This is true - according to Private Eye, the NHS manages to employ about 1.5 administrative staff per inpatient bed, and has already pissed away billions of pounds on IT systems that either don't work, or do nothing really useful.
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#37
Here in Calgary, Alberta, Canada; amber alerts aren't that uncommon (not enough ambulances).
Waits can be up to four hours, but you can put your name on the list and go home, then come back later.
There aren't enough hospital beds, and a large number of GP's are going down south to the US because they will make more money.
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Quote by Raven*
Michael Moore needs to choke on a hot dog...

That douche is just another left-wing antagonist who's ideals are bought off and portrayed as some intelligent liberal bs... Don't worry about what Michael Moore has to say about America's health-care system, because he's the least knowledgeable in the field of health-care, I feel we can all agree.



You basically just said he is fat, yes we know he is fat.
#39
the guy who makes those movies is a dick. he treats all of his employees like crap. someone should make a movie about HIM and how much HE is SiCKO
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#40
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Michael Moore needs to choke on a hot dog...

That douche is just another left-wing antagonist who's ideals are bought off and portrayed as some intelligent liberal bs... Don't worry about what Michael Moore has to say about America's health-care system, because he's the least knowledgeable in the field of health-care, I feel we can all agree.

Ever been without healthcare? Bet you're still covered by your parents?

Just saying he probably knows more than you, seeing as he's not a college-aged republican.
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