#1
Can anybody tell me what scale, or scales, this Smashing Pumpkins solo is in?

Lead
|---------------------------------------------------------------------
|-----------------------------------15gb17~~~~--19r17b19-17-15--------
|-14-16~~-14-16~~--14-16~~-14-16-14----------------------------16~~~~-
|---------------------------------------------------------------------
|---------------------------------------------------------------------
|---------------------------------------------------------------------

-------------------17b19r17p15-----15--------------------------------
-------17gb19~~~~--------------17-----17~~--15b17--------------------
-16r14--------------------------------------------14b16~~-----12-14--
-----------------------------------------------------------14--------
---------------------------------------------------------------------
---------------------------------------------------------------------

----12------------------------------------------15b17-15b17r15-15~~~-
-13----15gb17~~-------13p12h13p12------------------------------------
----------------14b16-------------14p12------------------------------
----------------------------------------12~~~~-----------------------
---------------------------------------------------------------------
---------------------------------------------------------------------

-14b15r14b15r14b15r14~~~~--(14)b15r14~~14b15r14~~--12-12-------------
---------------------------------------------------------15-13~~~~---
---------------------------------------------------------------------
---------------------------------------------------------------------
---------------------------------------------------------------------
---------------------------------------------------------------------

-----------------------------------------(14)/15-15-15-15-15~~~~\\\--
---------------------------------------------------------------------
---------17b19b19b19b19b19b19b19r17~~~~------------------------------
---------------------------------------------------------------------
---------------------------------------------------------------------
-15~~~~--------------------------------------------------------------

-------17-19-20-------------------------------|
-19-20----------20~~~--------15-15-15-15~~~~--|
----------------------------------------------|
---------------(17)~~--17-17------------------|
----------------------------------------------|
----------------------------------------------|

Thanks.
#2
I'm not sure, but I think it's G major.
Jackson Kelly KE3 w/P-Rails; Aria Pro II TSB-350
• ZVex Fuzz Factory; DigiTech Whammy; Danelectro Fish & Chips; Marshall ED1; Fulltone OCD; DigiTech Whammy; Marshall JMP1; Boss CE3; Vox AC4TV

EMU 0404; Reason/Record; M-Audio AV40
#4
Quote by jaffawoman
I'm not sure, but I think it's G major.

+1
“Science cannot solve the ultimate mystery of nature. And that is because, in the last analysis, we ourselves are part of nature and therefore part of the mystery that we are trying to solve.”


-Max Planck

☮∞☯♥
#6
my guess is G major thats what my ears tell me! what song is it though and do u have to chord progression
"Men profess to be lovers of music, but for the most part they give no evidence in their opinions and lives that they have heard it." ~Henry David Thoreau
#9
it could also be G lonian but than again if u play it backwards its an E major melodic so who knows. lol i think its either G major or G Lonian but give the fact its the pumpkins its probably G major
"Men profess to be lovers of music, but for the most part they give no evidence in their opinions and lives that they have heard it." ~Henry David Thoreau
#10
Quote by pearlJam_31490
it could also be G lonian but than again if u play it backwards its an E major melodic so who knows. lol i think its either G major or G Lonian but give the fact its the pumpkins its probably G major


"G Major" is the same thing as "G Ionian," in case you're wondering.
#11
Quote by Guitar_Poet
"G Major" is the same thing as "G Ionian," in case you're wondering.

Kinda, and kinda not. This has been explained in countless threads in which modes have been brought up.
“Science cannot solve the ultimate mystery of nature. And that is because, in the last analysis, we ourselves are part of nature and therefore part of the mystery that we are trying to solve.”


-Max Planck

☮∞☯♥
#13
Quote by metal4all
Kinda, and kinda not. This has been explained in countless threads in which modes have been brought up.


what i mean is that when people say "G Ionian," it is more commonly referred to as "G Major." people can get as technical as they want with it, but the truth is that it is much more commonly known as Major. in reference to this thread, it doesnt really matter what you call it, as they both have the same notes.
#14
the notes are the exact same actual they are just arranged differently so i see what your saying
"Men profess to be lovers of music, but for the most part they give no evidence in their opinions and lives that they have heard it." ~Henry David Thoreau
#15
Quote by Iron Clad Lou
Can anybody tell me what scale, or scales, this Smashing Pumpkins solo is in?

Lead
|---------------------------------------------------------------------
|-----------------------------------15gb17~~~~--19r17b19-17-15--------
|-14-16~~-14-16~~--14-16~~-14-16-14----------------------------16~~~~-
|---------------------------------------------------------------------
|---------------------------------------------------------------------
|---------------------------------------------------------------------

-------------------17b19r17p15-----15--------------------------------
-------17gb19~~~~--------------17-----17~~--15b17--------------------
-16r14--------------------------------------------14b16~~-----12-14--
-----------------------------------------------------------14--------
---------------------------------------------------------------------
---------------------------------------------------------------------

----12------------------------------------------15b17-15b17r15-15~~~-
-13----15gb17~~-------13p12h13p12------------------------------------
----------------14b16-------------14p12------------------------------
----------------------------------------12~~~~-----------------------
---------------------------------------------------------------------
---------------------------------------------------------------------

-14b15r14b15r14b15r14~~~~--(14)b15r14~~14b15r14~~--12-12-------------
---------------------------------------------------------15-13~~~~---
---------------------------------------------------------------------
---------------------------------------------------------------------
---------------------------------------------------------------------
---------------------------------------------------------------------

-----------------------------------------(14)/15-15-15-15-15~~~~\\\--
---------------------------------------------------------------------
---------17b19b19b19b19b19b19b19r17~~~~------------------------------
---------------------------------------------------------------------
---------------------------------------------------------------------
-15~~~~--------------------------------------------------------------

-------17-19-20-------------------------------|
-19-20----------20~~~--------15-15-15-15~~~~--|
----------------------------------------------|
---------------(17)~~--17-17------------------|
----------------------------------------------|
----------------------------------------------|

Thanks.



as been mentioned its likely in G Major.

what song is this from?


Quote by Guitar_Poet
what i mean is that when people say "G Ionian," it is more commonly referred to as "G Major." people can get as technical as they want with it, but the truth is that it is much more commonly known as Major. in reference to this thread, it doesnt really matter what you call it, as they both have the same notes.



+1

This is true. Alot of people start referring to Ionian when they begin studying modes. It's new cool impressive sounding term to throw around, but its not necessarily appropriate in most cases.
shred is gaudy music
Last edited by GuitarMunky at Jun 26, 2008,
#16
Quote by GuitarMunky


This is true. Alot of people start referring to Ionian when they begin studying modes. It's new cool impressive sounding term to throw around, but its not necessarily appropriate in most cases.


Why is not appropriate?
Without a good harmonic knowledge, one cannot expect to become a great jazz soloist ~ Horace Silver

Quote by dietermoreno
Is it possible for 6 string guitar to tune lower than drop C and scales still work?
#17
Quote by marc137
Why is not appropriate?
If you say, "Ionian," you modal music and a modal progression. The catch is that a modal progression is usually very simple (1 or 2 chords) as to not have the progression resolve to the relative Ionian mode, but if your complex "Ionian" progression resolves to the Ionian mode, that's exactly what you wanted to do anyway.

I suppose it's fine to say the solo is based upon the G Ionian scale, but it would appropriate to say that the song uses G Ionian, as that would imply minimal/no chromatic tones.