#2
That's a horrible lesson that goes into advanced material without explaining said material, nor the basic material, in enough detail. Please read the "theory" lesson in my signature instead. However, ignore the part about the circle of fifths as the circle is written backwards.

Edit: If you want to know the solfege syllables, it is as follows for C major and its modes:


C-Do
D-Re
E-Mi
F-Fa
G-So
A-La
B-Ti


After you've read my lesson, you'll be able to apply that to all major scales and their modes.
Last edited by bangoodcharlote at Jun 29, 2008,
#3
well, first of all, that IS the major scale, on C to be more precise, and then when he changes to solfege it's just a change in how the notes are named according to their relationship to the root of the scale, do being the root, and solfege names/syllables change according to anymodifications made to the note and it's relationship to the major scale, for example, if the third of the scale is named 'mi' on the major, it will have a different name when you lower it by a half step to create a minor chord based on the root (for example, go from C major to C minor in the key of C), in this case, it changes from 'mi' to 'me'
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#4
I'm not really understanding your problem. Maybe that's just me though.

Have you ever heard the phrase "do > re > mi > fa > so > la > ti > do?"

Each word corresponds to a note in the major scale. Take the C Major scale for example.

C (Do) - D (Re) - E (Mi) - F (Fa) - G (So) - A (La) - B (Ti) - C (Do)

Think of it as something to sing as you do warm up scales?

EDIT: Sorry for the late and very basic response >.<
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#6
^please do, for my benefit.
The way I've seen solfege being used is as a substitution for note degree's. So instead of calling each note of a scale: 1st note, 2nd note and so on, they would call each note: do, re, mi, fa, so and so on. I remember one book I was reading said things like "ti resolves well to doh." This confused me for a couple of minutes
#7
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So I guess it would just be sadistic to introduce the idea of Fixed Do solfege right now?


Yes very sadistic haha.

To the OP, look closer at the chart, you'll find that the solfege syllables do match up with your box shapes

If you're still having problems, PM me.

And for you, bangoodcharlotte, the point of the solfege thread I wrote was to give an insight to THE classic method of training your ear, and applying it directly to the guitar. The theory lesson you referred to, while correct, is too much to take on as a beginner. How do you think 4 year old children are taught to play by ear? It's not by rote learning theory, it's done by singing solfege.
Last edited by bubbamc119 at Jun 30, 2008,
#8
Here are the 12 positions or fingerings for the major scale across the neck. After you learn these, no one will be able to show you a new fingering, they will simply be combinations of the fingerings below (for example the 3 note per string scales can all be derived from the fingerings shown below. Get these down, live by them and you'll be set!

--fa---|-------|--so---|-------|--la---|-------|
--do---|-------|--re---|-------|--mi---|-------|
-------|--la---|-------|--ti---|-------|-------|
-------|--mi---|--fa---|-------|--so---|-------|
-------|--ti---|--do---|-------|--re---|-------|
--fa---|-------|--so---|-------|--la---|-------|
Fingering (starting on the 6th string, 1=index, 2=middle, 3=ring, 4=pinkie):  
134,234,234,24,134,134

--fa---|-------|--so---|-------|--la---|-------|
-------|-------|--re---|-------|--mi---|-------|
-------|--la---|-------|--ti---|--do---|-------|
-------|--mi---|--fa---|-------|--so---|-------|
-------|--ti---|--do---|-------|--re---|-------|
--fa---|-------|--so---|-------|--la---|-------|
124,124,124,134,24,124

--so---|-------|--la---|-------|--ti---|-------|
--re---|-------|--mi---|--fa---|-------|-------|
-------|--ti---|--do---|-------|-------|-------|
--fa---|-------|--so---|-------|--la---|-------|
--do---|-------|--re---|-------|--mi---|-------|
--so---|-------|--la---|-------|--ti---|-------|
134,134,134,23,134,134

--so---|-------|--la---|-------|--ti---|-------|
-------|-------|--mi---|--fa---|-------|-------|
-------|--ti---|--do---|-------|--re---|-------|
--fa---|-------|--so---|-------|--la---|-------|
--do---|-------|--re---|-------|--mi---|-------|
--so---|-------|--la---|-------|--ti---|-------|
124,124,124,124,23,124

--la---|-------|--ti---|--do---|-------|-------|
--mi---|--fa---|-------|--so---|-------|-------|
--do---|-------|--re---|-------|-------|-------|
--so---|-------|--la---|-------|--ti---|-------|
--re---|-------|--mi---|--fa---|-------|-------|
--la---|-------|--ti---|--do---|-------|-------|
134,134,134,13,124,124

--la---|-------|--ti---|--do---|-------|-------|
-------|--fa---|-------|--so---|-------|-------|
--do---|-------|--re---|-------|--mi---|-------|
--so---|-------|--la---|-------|--ti---|-------|
--re---|-------|--mi---|--fa---|-------|-------|
--la---|-------|--ti---|--do---|-------|-------|
123,123,124,124,13,123

--ti---|--do---|-------|--re---|-------|-------|
-------|--so---|-------|--la---|-------|-------|
--re---|-------|--mi---|--fa---|-------|-------|
--la---|-------|--ti---|--do---|-------|-------|
--mi---|--fa---|-------|--so---|-------|-------|
--ti---|--do---|-------|--re---|-------|-------|
124,124,134,134,24,124

--do---|-------|--re---|-------|--mi---|-------|
--so---|-------|--la---|-------|--ti---|-------|
-------|--mi---|--fa---|-------|-------|-------|
-------|--ti---|--do---|-------|--re---|-------|
--fa---|-------|--so---|-------|--la---|-------|
--do---|-------|--re---|-------|--mi---|-------|
134,134,234,23,134,134

--do---|-------|--re---|-------|--mi---|-------|
-------|-------|--la---|-------|--ti---|-------|
-------|--mi---|--fa---|-------|--so---|-------|
-------|--ti---|--do---|-------|--re---|-------|
--fa---|-------|--so---|-------|--la---|-------|
--do---|-------|--re---|-------|--mi---|-------|
124,124,124,124,24,124

--re---|-------|--mi---|--fa---|-------|-------|
--la---|-------|--ti---|--do---|-------|-------|
--fa---|-------|--so---|-------|-------|-------|
--do---|-------|--re---|-------|--mi---|-------|
--so---|-------|--la---|-------|--ti---|-------|
--re---|-------|--mi---|--fa---|-------|-------|
134,134,134,13,134,134

--re---|-------|--mi---|--fa---|-------|-------|
-------|-------|--ti---|--do---|-------|-------|
--fa---|-------|--so---|-------|--la---|-------|
--do---|-------|--re---|-------|--mi---|-------|
--so---|-------|--la---|-------|--ti---|-------|
--re---|-------|--mi---|--fa---|-------|-------|
123,124,124,124,23,123

--mi---|--fa---|-------|--so---|-------|-------|
--ti---|--do---|-------|--re---|-------|-------|
--so---|-------|--la---|-------|-------|-------|
--re---|-------|--mi---|--fa---|-------|-------|
--la---|-------|--ti---|--do---|-------|-------|
--mi---|--fa---|-------|--so---|-------|-------|
124,134,134,13,124,124


These fingerings cover all situations you might run into. If any finger lands on any degree of the scale, one of the above fingerings will slot right in.

The positions are shown in order across the neck. Once you play one, move your hand one fret up (so that your thumb behind the neck moves up one fret, your thumb should be directly behind your middle finger), and play the next one.

So you can now see that there are in fact 12 positions to play the major scale, not 5 or 7 as other people would have you believe.

Let me know how you go
Last edited by bubbamc119 at Jun 30, 2008,
#9
Quote by demonofthenight
^please do, for my benefit.
The way I've seen solfege being used is as a substitution for note degree's. So instead of calling each note of a scale: 1st note, 2nd note and so on, they would call each note: do, re, mi, fa, so and so on. I remember one book I was reading said things like "ti resolves well to doh." This confused me for a couple of minutes



The very basic tenents of Fixed Do is that C is always "do", D is always "re", E is always "mi" etc etc.

Also you don't use altered syllables for accidentals. So even in the key of Eb Major, Bb is still "ti"

It's most popular in European Conservatories and conservatories in the Americas modeled after the European ones. It does have some advantages over movable Do, but really they both counter-balance eachother with their advantages and disadvantages.

I'm a movable Do man myself. The director of my school's symphony came from Europe and can sight-sing atonal pieces in fixed do. But then again, he has a doctorate in conducting along with several other degrees.
#10
Quote by Guitar_Theory
The very basic tenents of Fixed Do is that C is always "do", D is always "re", E is always "mi" etc etc.

Also you don't use altered syllables for accidentals. So even in the key of Eb Major, Bb is still "ti"

It's most popular in European Conservatories and conservatories in the Americas modeled after the European ones. It does have some advantages over movable Do, but really they both counter-balance eachother with their advantages and disadvantages.

I'm a movable Do man myself. The director of my school's symphony came from Europe and can sight-sing atonal pieces in fixed do. But then again, he has a doctorate in conducting along with several other degrees.


Man. Wouldn't that be an awesome skill to have!