Tips for writing black metal. (what do you want to hear in modern black metal?)

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#1
I'm currently trying to compose a black metal album. I don't want it to sound like all the rest of the Darkthrone rip-offs, and 'depressive' bedroom bands.

So, what do you want to hear when listening to a modern black metal band? I have a couple of songs written, but I fear that they sound to much like the early Norwegian black metal bands.

I think this should be in the Metal forum instead of the Musicians Talk forum, because it's more about what you'd like to hear in modern black metal.
#3
epic driving riffs, grim production, vocals with emotion behind them. Something believable with a cold atmosphere
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#6
I loves me some Symphonic Black Metal. It's really the only black metal I've found that I REALLY love.


So, if I were writing some black metal, I would be using Emperor's "IX Equilibrium" and Anorexia Nervosa's "New Obscurantis Order" as my main reference tools.


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#7
Tornadoes of near-indistinguishable, ear-scratching noise recorded in a norweigan mountaintop inside a giant inverted pentagram painted on the floor with goat's blood, dedicated as an offering to Baphomet.

But seriously, tight riffing, more exotic-sounding scales being used, a reasonable amount of rawness in production, and if you're focusing hard on writing lyrics- more vocal clarity.
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Because Burzum are the only band that has ended with a long synth track?

No, but it is kind of Varg's trademark.
#11
Mons Montis sounds pretty cool, IMO.

At the moment I'm using this site for English-Norwegian translations.

http://www.freedict.com/onldict/nor.html

I've come up with Evig Mørke, which means Eternal Darkness.

Uhyggelig = Grim.

Frostskadet = Frostbitten....


Yeah, I'm running out of ideas already. 3:51AM = No good names coming to mind.
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#12
i like to hear a reasonable amount of production quality...but basically, as long as you can actually HEAR what each instrument is playing, and the nothing is way louder than the rest, it's fine.

other than that, all i can say is i like my black metal thrashy, if not then i like judas iscariot

oh, also, not that **** with the kind of punk vibe, like abigail and all them.
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Mons Montis sounds pretty cool, IMO.

At the moment I'm using this site for English-Norwegian translations.

http://www.freedict.com/onldict/nor.html

I've come up with Evig Mørke, which means Eternal Darkness.

Uhyggelig = Grim.

Frostskadet = Frostbitten....


Yeah, I'm running out of ideas already. 3:51AM = No good names coming to mind.

I used a English-Latin translator. Mons Montis means Mountain.

Evig Mørke sounds great, but I don't speak Norwegian and I don't want to be pseudo-Norwegian for black metal street cred.
#14
If it makes me want to carve the devil's mark into a goat in a snow covered forest then I like it.
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i like to hear a reasonable amount of production quality...but basically, as long as you can actually HEAR what each instrument is playing, and the nothing is way louder than the rest, it's fine.


Agree 100%

Avoid that whole "Hurricane of noise" kind of sound (like a lot of Gorgoroth's stuff). Emperor pulls it off amazingly, though.

Buuuut, I'm a total n00b at black metal.
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Agree 100%

Avoid that whole "Hurricane of noise" kind of sound (like a lot of Gorgoroth's stuff). Emperor pulls it off amazingly, though.

If you don't think Gorgoroth can't pull it off you haven't heard Under the Sign of Hell.

Anyway, what do I want in black metal? Something which isn't the same old crap that's been done a million times before.
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A good dose of thrash metal in black metal is always awesome
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#21
When you write a good song, you should feel it. Don't write what others want to hear, if it's any good, some people will listen to it. Don't even have to be original, if ever you did something like Wigrid, Nyktalgia, Nargaroth that has been done many times before, as long as it's good, that's all that matters.

I personally enjoy gloomy black metal with agonizing screems in it. I like it when you have fast distorted gutiars but occasionally a slow catchy riff in between.
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#24
I want to be able to tell that you recorded the stuff while wearing studded leather and corpse paint.

But, I guess, anything that sounds good and has decent recording quality and kind of evil sounding riffs. Double bass drumming always helps ;-)
#25
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i'd like to see more melodic bm like dissection/sacramentum/vinterland

Yes! Try to incorporate melodic elements in your music. It can really add to the atmosphere if it's done correctly and with taste.
#26
Also, killer lyrics.

like Kings of the Carnival Creation by Dimmu Borgir. their production quality is spot on as well and the solo at the end really kicks
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A wilderness/epic atmosphere.
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That's kinda like saying that long guitar solos are John Petrucci's trademark.


yah but Varg will stab you 22 times. JP's only gonna shred you out of existence.

and whatever you do TS make it UNIQUE! hard to kinda do that these days, but theres still room for uniqueness. I deffinetely would like to see it as either a symph black metal or bm with some symph parts, or stuff like Disection.

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#31
What do I want to hear in modern black metal?

Not bands from Georgia with Norwegian names they translated on teh intertron.


Atmosphere and production are absolutely key. Case in point, there are a million bands rehashing tired Darkthrone riffs, but Forest (Blazebirth Hall band from Russia) still manages to stand out from the pack.
#32
Acoustics. Lots of 'em
Pianos.
Female vocals.
Lots of contrast.
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#34
This may sound a little silly, but

Use this power chord (examples):

D:5
A:7
E:0

D:4
A:6
E:0

I use it alot when I compose black/death metal. Check out the song in my profile, I use it alot there.
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#35
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I used a English-Latin translator. Mons Montis means Mountain.

Evig Mørke sounds great, but I don't speak Norwegian and I don't want to be pseudo-Norwegian for black metal street cred.

:p;

Yeah, completely understandable. Like I said, it was about 4:00AM at that point, and my brain wasn't functioning at full power.
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#36
I like melodic BM like Dissection and Sacramentum, but by far my favorite type of black metal (or any kind of metal, for that matter) is progressive black metal. Think Akercocke, Enslaved, and Ne Obliviscaris.

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This may sound a little silly, but

Use this power chord (examples):

D:5
A:7
E:0

D:4
A:6
E:0

I use it alot when I compose black/death metal. Check out the song in my profile, I use it alot there.

Neither of those are power chords. The first one is an E minor without the fifth. Not sure what the second one is.
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This may sound a little silly, but

Use this power chord (examples):

D:5
A:7
E:0

D:4
A:6
E:0

I use it alot when I compose black/death metal. Check out the song in my profile, I use it alot there.


Those aren't power chords.

Your song is crap.

Yawn.
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#38
include elements from other genres
but only if they work.
raw but not too raw, i'd prefer like slayers early stuff.
but this is just my input, you don't have to do any of that stuff if you don't want
#40
Less crappy lyrics maybe?

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