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#1
Hey I was checking out the guitars on guitarcenter's website and came across this one . I was shocked!
#3
Because everything on it is aged and/or antique. Aging-> Better tone about 95% of the time.
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#5
i would guess its so expensive partly becuase i think they make it exactly like they did in the 1930's, so it probly takes a long time to turn one finished guitar out. THe construction process is the same as it was in the 30's i think
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#7
Because Martin makes amazing guitars and an aged guitar from them would be insanity.
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#8
well, you're saving 8 k apparently, so it's not that bad.
lol.

but seriously, listen to the people above me.
#9
I guess nobody checked the side/back wood as well. It's Brazilian Rosewood. That would contribute for a few thousand of the price.
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I guess nobody checked the side/back wood as well. It's Brazilian Rosewood. That would contribute for a few thousand of the price.



a few thousand at least. Isn't there some...like....don't use brazillian rosewood thing going on.
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#11
There is no possible way any guitar could ever be worth that much money.

It looks like Martin made this guitar with very high quality woods and quality construction, but really, if you wanted to you could find a guitar that sounded as good for a fraction of that price.

They can get away with this because of the name on the headstock and the long history of qualiity associated with that name.

Martin knows that some rich old fart will buy it.
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#13
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There is no possible way any guitar could ever be worth that much money.

It looks like Martin made this guitar with very high quality woods and quality construction, but really, if you wanted to you could find a guitar that sounded as good for a fraction of that price.

They can get away with this because of the name on the headstock and the long history of qualiity associated with that name.

Martin knows that some rich old fart will buy it.

It's not about playbility. It's not about the quality of the instrument, either. It's an investment; a showpiece. You will get your return and more with age, like a work of art. Same goes for that dumb EVH strat replica.

Edit: that and, like a work of art, it's a status symbol.
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#14
Unless they somehow managed to steal Robert Johnson's soul back from The Devil, and somehow place it inside this guitar, I just can't see myself paying 32 grand for it.
#15
Its got the X bracing farther back to the bridge, so it can use super heavy strings that were common back in the day. Coupled with the Brazilian Rosewood, this means mega bass, mega tone. Plus, Martin knows that only the most serious collectors would buy it.
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#16
The export of Brazilian Rosewood is no longer legal. The world supply of Brazilian Rosewood is growing very, very short. Planks of instrument grade brazilian rosewood are probably worth more than their weight in gold.
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#17
If i remember correctly, the harvesting of Brazilian Rosewood was shut down in the 60's, so all guitars built after the ban are made of old stock--- wood harvested prior to the ban... So these days, that reserved stock is running VERY low... also, another thing to consider, is how that wood has matured and aged since it was cut. Just my $0.02
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#19
I couldn't understand the pricetag either till i read the specs. As others have said, brazilian rosewood is rediculously expensive and rare, and If i read correctly, there is actually diamond fret markers in the fretboard... which could attribute thousands of dollars to the price tag. I'm sure that guitar probably plays like nothing most of us have ever felt. there's always that one guitar thats gonna jump the dam and this may be one of them.
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#20
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It's not about playbility. It's not about the quality of the instrument, either. It's an investment; a showpiece. You will get your return and more with age, like a work of art. Same goes for that dumb EVH strat replica.

Edit: that and, like a work of art, it's a status symbol.

Well yes, the only conceivable way that a guitar could be priced that high is as an investment.

But, the way I see it, a guitar is an instrument meant to be played. Even for what it is, there is no reason it should be priced that high other than because Martin knows they can.

That someone will conceivably buy it, and get a return on their investment, does not change the fact that the price established by Martin is absurd.

The price is justified from the standpoint that someone will pay it, but based solely on the product, the price is ridiculous and completely unjustifiable.
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#21
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Well yes, the only conceivable way that a guitar could be priced that high is as an investment.

But, the way I see it, a guitar is an instrument meant to be played. Even for what it is, there is no reason it should be priced that high other than because Martin knows they can.

That someone will conceivably buy it, and get a return on their investment, does not change the fact that the price established by Martin is absurd.

The price is justified from the standpoint that someone will pay it, but based solely on the product, the price is ridiculous and completely unjustifiable.

Henry Ford purchased a Stradivarius violin back in the '20s and kept it in a glass case; never played it. Ultimately, it's the choice of the buyer whether to play it or hang it on their mantle. Just because someone buys a Model T doesn't mean that they drive it around town.

Why would the price be absurd if someone is not only willing to buy it, but also rely on it as a primary asset? It's market value is practically guaranteed to never decrease.

Technically, the optimal way for a collector's guitar to be preserved would be to treat this way once every three months, keeping it clean, and perfectly humidified, avoiding playing it at all costs. That would be the perfect way to preserve an acoustic guitar as an investment.
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#22
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Why would the price be absurd if someone is not only willing to buy it, but also rely on it as a primary asset? It's market value is practically guaranteed to never decrease.


If you read what I wrote you would see that I said that Martin is justified for just this reason: They know someone will pay up.

But that still doesn't change the fact that the product itself does not warrant that price.
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#23
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If you read what I wrote you would see that I said that Martin is justified for just this reason: They know someone will pay up.

But that still doesn't change the fact that the product itself does not warrant that price.

Oh, I'm sorry. I was mistaken.

Yes, I agree with you.
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#24
It's very simple really.
Why does this guitar cost 32K? Because somebody will buy it.
Why should somebody buy it? Because it costs 32K
For poor sods like us it doesn't seem to make much sense, but that's why we are poor sods. If we understood more of these basic economic principles we would be filthy rich bastards too.
#25
it's these types of things that make me keep thinking that our lives are controlled by corprate demon-tyrants...

even if what all you people are saying about the brazilian rosewood (seriously very interesting) and it being a peice of art, and that it will increase in value......(i do believe you all)


step back out of our wonderfully horrifiying world of guitars and think that with 32 grand, i could buy 2 of these:

http://www.cars.com/go/search/detail.jsp;?tracktype=usedcc&searchType=21&pageNumber=0&numResultsPerPage=50&largeNumResultsPerPage=0&sortorder=descending&sortfield=PRICE+descending&certifiedOnly=false&criteria=K-%7cE-%7cM-_9_%7cB-15000%7cD-_86_%7cN-N%7cR-10000%7cI-1%7cP-PRICE+descending%7cQ-descending%7cZ-31820&aff=national&paId=229264358&recnum=22&leadExists=true

i'm sure that this is an amazing guitar and that it's worth a good amount of money, but seriously dudes. 32,000?!?!

...i would be willing to pay MAYBE 20,000


32,000 just makes me wanna hurl.
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it's these types of things that make me keep thinking that our lives are controlled by corprate demon-tyrants...

even if what all you people are saying about the brazilian rosewood (seriously very interesting) and it being a peice of art, and that it will increase in value......(i do believe you all)


step back out of our wonderfully horrifiying world of guitars and think that with 32 grand, i could buy 2 of these:

http://www.cars.com/go/search/detail.jsp;?tracktype=usedcc&searchType=21&pageNumber=0&numResultsPerPage=50&largeNumResultsPerPage=0&sortorder=descending&sortfield=PRICE+descending&certifiedOnly=false&criteria=K-%7cE-%7cM-_9_%7cB-15000%7cD-_86_%7cN-N%7cR-10000%7cI-1%7cP-PRICE+descending%7cQ-descending%7cZ-31820&aff=national&paId=229264358&recnum=22&leadExists=true

i'm sure that this is an amazing guitar and that it's worth a good amount of money, but seriously dudes. 32,000?!?!

...i would be willing to pay MAYBE 20,000


32,000 just makes me wanna hurl.

Cars are a very poor investment. The upkeep on them will inevitably cost you the actual value of the car. It's a terrible investment. Again, whether or not it's a guitar is completely irrelevant. It's a status symbol and a safer investment than stocks.
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If i read correctly, there is actually diamond fret markers in the fretboard... which could attribute thousands of dollars to the price tag.


LOL

u didnt read correctly! They are only diamond-shaped markers and not actually made of diamond! They are the markers to show which fret is which and are probably painted on.
#29
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u didnt read correctly! They are only diamond-shaped markers and not actually made of diamond! They are the markers to show which fret is which and are probably painted on.

Painted? Dream on. They are inlays of fine mother of pearl (this is the best shot I could get). Notice the difference between the diamond and square inlays.

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Cars are a very poor investment. The upkeep on them will inevitably cost you the actual value of the car. It's a terrible investment. Again, whether or not it's a guitar is completely irrelevant. It's a status symbol and a safer investment than stocks.


I have to correct you on your statement Chad. SOME, no, make that MOST, cars are a poor investment, but certainly not all.

Witness:



It's an '87 Grand National. New price was about $25,000 in 1987. Current market value in excellent shape: $111,000. While any fine instrument should hold it's initial cost and never depreciate, there are some beautiful cars that do the same thing. The main problem is that with cars, they need to be near mint condition in order to increase in value. Guitars aren't that way. I just saw an early 70's Strat at a Guitar Center with a $29,999 price tag on it, and it was beat to ****. It certainly is a baffling world when it comes to collectables.
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32,000 just makes me wanna hurl.


Precisely because you are who you are and you DON'T HAVE that much. If you were, say, a 40-something fat cat businessman looking for an investment with an interest in guitars it'd be a different story, wouldn't it?
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#32
It's $32K because someone with more money than sense is going to convince themselves that it's worth it, and maybe someone else with even more money and even less sense is going to someday come along with $40K for it.
I think it's called the "greater fool" theory.
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It's $32K because someone with more money than sense is going to convince themselves that it's worth it, and maybe someone else with even more money and even less sense is going to someday come along with $40K for it.
I think it's called the "greater fool" theory.

Welcome to the art world.
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#34
it's still beatiful

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and if i had 32,000 i would buy it..straight up
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#35
well, there are always people who simply have too much money and need some avenues to spend all that money.
#36
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well, there are always people who simply have too much money and need some avenues to spend all that money.

It's called disposable income. This might help you understand the value of art: http://www.indecision2008.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=123814
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Painted? Dream on. They are inlays of fine mother of pearl (this is the best shot I could get). Notice the difference between the diamond and square inlays.


Yeah OK but there not made of diamond! Im sure pearls are a bit cheaper.

My classical guitar doesnt even have any .
#38
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Yeah OK but there not made of diamond! Im sure pearls are a bit cheaper.

My classical guitar doesnt even have any .

Most classical guitars don't.

Of course they aren't diamonds. I doubt Martin or any other guitar company has the tools to shape them or the ability to have custom stone cuttings done.
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#39
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The export of Brazilian Rosewood is no longer legal. The world supply of Brazilian Rosewood is growing very, very short. Planks of instrument grade brazilian rosewood are probably worth more than their weight in gold.


This is the only correct answer. When you produce anything out of super-exotic materials, the price goes WAY up. Martin (and everyone else who builds fancy guitars) is doing a very reasonable thing by charging a premium for their ultra-rare Brazilian rosewood guitars. Whining about the cost would be akin to complaining that tortoise shell jewelry and ivory ladened piano keys aren't cheap enough. Exotic materials carry an exotic price tag. In this case, Martin is certainly not trying to screw anybody. If you don't have the means for it, don't buy it and don't complain about it.
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I have to correct you on your statement Chad. SOME, no, make that MOST, cars are a poor investment, but certainly not all.

Witness:


It's an '87 Grand National. New price was about $25,000 in 1987. Current market value in excellent shape: $111,000. While any fine instrument should hold it's initial cost and never depreciate, there are some beautiful cars that do the same thing. The main problem is that with cars, they need to be near mint condition in order to increase in value. Guitars aren't that way. I just saw an early 70's Strat at a Guitar Center with a $29,999 price tag on it, and it was beat to ****. It certainly is a baffling world when it comes to collectables.


You don't convince me Lefty. I've seen enough of the automitive business to know that anything that rusts, wears out, crashes or blows up is a poor investment. Vintage cars are a great hobby, but apart from some who earn a few bucks restoring and trading them, they cost money. The more exclusive they are, the more they cost. If you are rich and want to get poor, get a Ferrari.
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