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#1
Crazy idea, I know. But has anyone ever done this? If so, what's the tone? Like a fretless, or just complete crap?
#3
they would probably wear down after a while, i cant really think what tone they'd give though/
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i dont think it'd make that much difference, it could feel very nice though, i'd have them very thin so its almost like fretless, but itd be nice to play i bet
#5
Wouldnt they wear down hella quick?


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#6
I'd bet the tone would be slightly dulled. And they would need to be replaced eventually.

I say try it, new type of guitar=win.
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Wouldnt they wear down hella quick?

Yes, yes they would. This is why no one does it. The closest thing I can think of is fretgut a la lute: http://john.redmood.com/lutefret.html

Or this: http://www.yale.edu/musicalinstruments/instruments/000024_nonwestern.htm

Forgot about those instruments, like the pipa.
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#8
Well, if you get frets made of a wood that's different looking than the fingerboard wood, even if they wore down, you could still see where they were. It'd be more like a fretless with fret markings, I'd assume.
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Well, if you get frets made of a wood that's different looking than the fingerboard wood, even if they wore down, you could still see where they were. It'd be more like a fretless with fret markings, I'd assume.

Essentially, an inevitable fretless conversion.
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#10
i would guess it would sound like a fretless but have the precise intonation of a fretted guitar, could be worth a shot, just make sure you use something hard like maple or maybe ebony
#12
If you really like the tone it might be worth having to replace them fairly often. Its not like you can't use some really hard wood [giggity] and maybe even clear coat them to make them stronger. I'm interested to see how this turns out.
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Only instruments you see with wood frets have nylon or natural material strings. They wont last long and will wear uneven so the action will get out of wack pretty fast.
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i would guess it would sound like a fretless but have the precise intonation of a fretted guitar, could be worth a shot, just make sure you use something hard like maple or maybe ebony
no. the tone from a fretless is partly the result of your finger.
that part of the equation would be completely absent.

even maple and ebony would wear quickly.
they wear gradually just from you finger pressing the string against the wide, flat surface between frets. and there is little pressure because of the large amount of surface area.

imagine the pressure and abrasion of a string contacting a narrow, raised fret.
especially when bending.
wooden frets would get chewed up in days.
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if you figured out a replaceable method...

hmm toothpicks.
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#18
Maybe oak.If you look at most cutting boards, they're made out of hard oak. I still don't know how longs it would last though. Interesting...
I wounder besides wood, and metal alloys, what else could people use as frets.
#19
Bone maybe? Glass?
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#23
wooden frets might work on a classical....
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Found this on Yale music site of the ethnomusicology.
"The yue qin first appeared in the Han dynasty (206 BC—220 AD). It takes its name, “moon guitar” from its flat, circular body. Its four silk strings are grouped in two courses of two each, tuned a fifth apart. There are characteristically either ten or twelve wooden frets."
#25
Bone might get used only a little bit slower then wooden frets I think. Its basicly as hard as wood. Hmm, maybe it is worth a try, dunno

Wulver, then it'd last just few days longer

Anyone knows someone from Han dynasty? Would be good to ask them how often you need to change frets
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wooden frets might work on a classical....


I was thinking the same thing, It wouldn't work with steel strings, the strings would just eat the wood like a file.
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I had a dream last night about a guitar with wooden frets...
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My father in law used to make fake teeth for a living. If you think about how strong teeth have to be with the amount of pressure and friction in your mouth, that could be an option too. Then you can do a tooth theme. Shave down your kids lost teeth when they fall out and make fret markers out of them! Lol...Kidding
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#31
I read it as Wooden fretboards.

That would wear down really quick that's why they aren't used.

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the teeth idea would probably require them to be brushed with colgate for 2 mins, twice a day.


Not great considering you would have to take the strings off to do that
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Bone maybe? Glass?

I don't know that glass frets would work, but imagine a fretless with a glass fingerboard. It'd be shimmery, sustainful, new age bliss.

Once you're obscenely rich and famous, you could always spring for diamond frets. No string wear there!
#34
After discussing this thread, I did check out Ed Roman's site and he's offering titanium frets on some of his guitars. I've thought about that a few years back. I wonder how they would feel and sound. Must be really expensive...
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I don't know that glass frets would work, but imagine a fretless with a glass fingerboard. It'd be shimmery, sustainful, new age bliss.

Once you're obscenely rich and famous, you could always spring for diamond frets. No string wear there!

If you want to know about glass fret boards, google Ned Evett.
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Found this on Yale music site of the ethnomusicology.
"The yue qin first appeared in the Han dynasty (206 BC—220 AD). It takes its name, “moon guitar” from its flat, circular body. Its four silk strings are grouped in two courses of two each, tuned a fifth apart. There are characteristically either ten or twelve wooden frets."

Already posted it in this thread.
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I've always wondered what'd happen with glass frets.


When i read this, i first thought of my guitar with Glass frets.
And then I though of this: DIAMOND FRETS. wicked expensive, and the frets would wear down the strings [not the other way around], but you'd get to run around boasting about your $4000 guitar frets.

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#39
The chinese dont play their strung instruments like we do. They dont do the heavy vibrato or bending. And the soft silk or natural strings wont tear up wood like a metal string does. I did see one of their traditional instruments done in plexiglass or acrylic and some sort of pickup so it could be amplified.
Its funny ed roman doesnt like stainless frets but titanium is ok now. Sounds like he found a way to make more money with those.
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The chinese dont play their strung instruments like we do. They dont do the heavy vibrato or bending. And the soft silk or natural strings wont tear up wood like a metal string does. I did see one of their traditional instruments done in plexiglass or acrylic and some sort of pickup so it could be amplified.
Its funny ed roman doesnt like stainless frets but titanium is ok now. Sounds like he found a way to make more money with those.

I saw that electric erhu as well. I'll take my natural one any day of the week. There are many, many sections in traditional Chinese music that call for extreme bends and vibrato. This is a very accessible pipa solo (an instrument with steel strings and mostly wooden frets, except for those at the top of the neck) that you might want to listen to: http://youtube.com/watch?v=-ZmAgFyVo48 . Most strings used on erhus, pipas, yue qins, etc. are steel, not silk or gut.
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