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#1
Ok, the question every squire owner wants answered.
"Why do my friends tease me about my guitar?"

Ok. Do they actually suck or do they suck compared to the rest of the Fender products?
Is it sucky because they are just a starter guitar and next to a Gibson SG its like putting a Holden Commodore next to a Ferrari Enzo?
They say its the build quality that makes squires bad, but why would Fender make a crappy guitar on purpose?
#2
Quote by Awildgoose
Ok, the question every squire owner wants answered.
"Why do my friends tease me about my guitar?"

Ok. Do they actually suck or do they suck compared to the rest of the Fender products?
Is it sucky because they are just a starter guitar and next to a Gibson SG its like putting a Holden Commodore next to a Ferrari Enzo?
They say its the build quality that makes squires bad, but why would Fender make a crappy guitar on purpose?



So they don't make a really good guitar and sell it for cheap? Squiers are beginner guitars, they're not going to be top quality instruments, they're going to be sub-par and that's partially why they're so cheap, you're paying for the quality and a bit of the name.

Squiers are horrible guitars, and no, not every Squier owner wants your question answered, after a few months of playing, they generally realize that Squiers are generally bad.
#3
Don't listen to them. Who cares if they bag you out about your gear. It's just a starter guitar - something to get you started on. You don't need a Gibson as your first guitar. Just keep practising and when you're better than them, you'll have something else to tease them back about.

Answering your questions: Most of them actually suck. Depends if you get lucky or not. And yes it is like putting a Commodore next to a Ferarri. Fender would make a crappy guitar on purpose. It's about profit. Also, it's a starter guitar. People want to buy a cheap guitar for their first one incase they decide to stop playing. Fender came up with the solution - Squier. Cheap parts = cheap guitar = relatively happy beginner customer.

#4
They are fairly crappy guitars. BUT if you switch out the hardware, pickups and redo the electronics you'll have a very decent guitar . Of course it will have cost you the same or less to get a mim fender.

For a beginner though it's perfectly fine, served me well for a year or so.
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#5
Fender makes them because for its targeted audience, novice guitarists, the quality of guitar doesn't need to be very high, for obvious reasons. They suck because everything about them (wood, pickups, hardware, etc) is lower quality. To me, they suck on their own and comparing them to a real Fender or even Gibson just makes them suck that much more. But they work for the beginners because without forums like this one, they wouldn't even realize they suck.
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#6
Quote by HeliuM
They are fairly crappy guitars. BUT if you switch out the hardware, pickups and redo the electronics you'll have a very decent guitar . Of course it will have cost you the same or less to get a mim fender.

For a beginner though it's perfectly fine, served me well for a year or so.



Not trying to be a dick but, aren't Squiers made of plywood?
#7
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Not trying to be a dick but, aren't Squiers made of plywood?


The bullets are made out of Agathis. The Affinity series are made out of the same would that Fenders are made out of.
#8
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So they don't make a really good guitar and sell it for cheap? Squiers are beginner guitars, they're not going to be top quality instruments, they're going to be sub-par and that's partially why they're so cheap, you're paying for the quality and a bit of the name.

Squiers are horrible guitars, and no, not every Squier owner wants your question answered, after a few months of playing, they generally realize that Squiers are generally bad.



They aren't "horrible" guitars at all, they're cheap, entry level instruments. I've seen plenty of pros use them as backups or gig with them. Just because they're lower quality than Fenders doesn't make them bad guitars, just not as good.
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#9
They shouldn't be compared with Fenders; that's not honest competition. They stand their ground among other affordable entry level guitars, which is not at all easy these days. If one would say he likes a certain Johnson, Samick or a cheap Ibanez or Yamaha better, there might be good arguments for such a statement. Saying that a Fender is better is only providing utterly obvious and useless information.
#10
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Not trying to be a dick but, aren't Squiers made of plywood?

Only the starter pack guitars. But, don't knock plywood. danelectros are made of plywood, and they sound great. it all depends on the wood thats used to make the layers imo.
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#12
just out play them........they are not terrible guitars just cheaper made guitars for beginners and people who do not want to sit in their bedrooms with a $2000.00 guitar.
#13
Quote by XianXiuHong
Squiers are beginner guitars
Squiers are horrible guitars.

wrong and wrong
1.- squier are cheaper guitars(thats why fender sell them as squiers and not fenders)
2.- and i have tried some affinity series guitars that played as nice as MIM fenders and even better, altough the sound plugged was not better, the feel was great,
also look at VM series and CV series, they make great guitar, and IMO way better than MIM fender and cheaper
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#14
Quote by XianXiuHong
Not trying to be a dick but, aren't Squiers made of plywood?

nope
bullet are made of agathis, wich is a nice wood IMO, not as good as ash, but is really lightweight and similar to alder in tone
affitys are made of alder, not sure if the same as MIM or MIA fenders but alder, the same with CV series i think
VM series are also agathis and red cedar or something like that
and standard series are made of agathis

also in an a electric guitar the wood is not that important, somehow it colors the tone, but gues what tone it colors...

the strings tone
also heavier wood = more sustain, not sure why but it works, i have tried it personally

and whats more important than wood? well quality, wich is the problem with china made squier, the quality controls are not that great and if you buy one online you can get a good(nice) one or a really bad one
what i mean is that you could have a plywood guitar very well made and a badlt made ash or mahogany guitar and it will not be good compared to the plywood guitar
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#16
Squier and Epiphone are the only budget guitar brands I like(ish). And anyway, it's the guitarist that counts, not the guitar. Some rich kid with a Gibson'll probably sound worse than a dedicated guitarist on a budget, from my experience anyway.
#17
They get less attention and receive lousier electronics and hardware. I've played some good ones and I've played some others that were trash. Buy a good one and what's there to worry about though? Of course, if you're in your head about their perceived lousiness then you might as well just buy a better guitar because the odds are you're never going to get out of your head entirely no matter how good the one you have actually plays and sounds.
#18
another thing i might add.

I don't let people tease me about having a squier. I usually hand it to them and say "STFU and play it". If its my standard tele, usually they can't put it down!
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#20
Quote by Ippon
Also, the current Squier Bullet is made of Basswood.

yes their basswood.
#22
They are cheap.

The pickups are horrible.

The wood is bad, hardware is bad, electronics are bad... you name it!

But mine just feels really great...

I now have an Ibanez RG (borrowed from my brother) and I still won't put down my Squier because it feels so damn good. Love the neck.
#23
A friend of mine, who drums, always teases me that my guitar (affinity serie strat) sucks so hard compared to his brother's Warlock Bronze.

I laugh at him, and at his brother.

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#24
Squier's are cheaply made guitars designed for beginners/novices looking for their first guitar and are on a budget, it's not right to compare them to more expensive guitars.

They should be compared to say, Ibanez GIO's, cheap Yamaha's, and other entry level guitars.
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#27
Squiers are good guitars believe me I played the VM Series Telecaster and I was REALLY surpirsed by its playability and feel, it was only because I got a deal on an MIM Stratocaster that I went against it. And anyway out play your friends if they tease you and then when you hand there ass to him say... "Its the fingers that make me a great player, not a brand name."
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#28
Just to let you all know, MY friends don't tease me about it, they all suck to much to be able to. I'm just saying it as a generall thing, because i have read some threads about Squiers, so...yeh I was just asking what are bad about them. And yeh the pickups suck, but so do every other starter guitar.
#29
I don't see why everyone always bashes squier and never any of the other starter guitars. I've tried various different cheap guitars and my squier easily beats the majority of them in feel, and is about equal in tone. Specifically my friend's epiphone SG, I can't stand how the neck feels, I just can't stand playing it for longer then about 5 minutes. While I may be buying a newer, more expensive guitar soon, I'm still keeping the squier in case I need a backup and because it does have it's own tone, even if it isn't a very good tone.
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#30
squier strats are better than their epiphone sg equivalents
affinity series > epi SG special & Les paul special II
#31
I have an Squier HSS strat. Honestly, it really isn't a terribly good guitar but when you remember that it's really meant as an entry level guitar, I'd have to say it's perfect for that purpose, and honestly, the Squier Affinity series are the best entry level guitars there are, at least in my opinion. I've tried out my friends' entry level Epiphone and the Squier Bullet stuff, and honestly, they're terribly compared to the Affinity HSS strat.

Still, I can't wait till I get a Schecter V-1 FR. =). Would be a much needed improvement.
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#32
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I have an Squier HSS strat. Honestly, it really isn't a terribly good guitar but when you remember that it's really meant as an entry level guitar, I'd have to say it's perfect for that purpose, and honestly, the Squier Affinity series are the best entry level guitars there are, at least in my opinion. I've tried out my friends' entry level Epiphone and the Squier Bullet stuff, and honestly, they're terribly compared to the Affinity HSS strat.

Still, I can't wait till I get a Schecter V-1 FR. =). Would be a much needed improvement.



yeah, squier strats (exept the bullets) can hold their own with any other entry level guitars
but something like a high end schecter, fender or gibson isnt really a fair comparison
my old $150 affinity series can hang right there with my washburn and my friends $300 Epi SG for half the price
#33
Why buy a Squier when you can get a Fender Standard Stratocaster for only $300-$400 more?
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#34
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Why buy a Squier when you can get a Fender Standard Stratocaster for only $300-$400 more?


id imagine because you dont have the extra 300-400 dollars
#35
agathis is not a bad wood. i play my yamaha pacifica everyday, and it has an agathis body. its i nice, punchy, light, defined wood.
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#36
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id imagine because you dont have the extra 300-400 dollars


hahahaha, yeah.

or if you're only starting out and not sure if you'll stick with it.
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#37
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squier strats are better than their epiphone sg equivalents
affinity series > epi SG special & Les paul special II

yeah, i agree about the specials, but the G-400 is vastly superior to a lot of guitars within the price range, imo. although epiphone originals like the sheraton and casino are where its at
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#38
I've played more guitars than I can remember at every price level and can tell you that even in the higher price brackets some guitars are good and some not so good. The ratio is just lower in finding a good guitar at lower budgets.

One of the things you do get with a higher priced guitar is a better factory set up. If you don't know how to set up your guitar, you will often think a budget guitar plays poorly. The truth is it's set up poorly and could easily be a much nicer guitar with about an hour of work.

Peer pressure is a bitch, but I've always been an anti-name brand guy in everything I do. Squier's are good guitars, as good as any guitar in it's price range. In fact, their finishes are suppirior to almost all other guitars in that price range. The stock pickups aren't great, but the same is true for some much more expensive guitars including many of Fender's American line.

People who bag on you because you use x brand anything are pointing out their own insecurity. In the words of Frank Zappa, "Shut Up and Play yer Guitar!"
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#39
OK..here's my question.
Does anyone know how the bullet or affinity bodies are built?
Are they HSS under the PG, or do they have a Swimming Pool route?
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#40
Quote by BigWrig
OK..here's my question.
Does anyone know how the bullet or affinity bodies are built?
Are they HSS under the PG, or do they have a Swimming Pool route?
I bought a basswood bullet in January, and it had a HSS route.

The quality control on Squier guitars isn't very good, I would say only one out of five or six guitars is actually a decent instrument. I played nearly all the Squiers at guitar center before I found a good one.

I wouldn't recommend buying one before you try it, but if you find a good one it's no worse than any other guitar for the money.
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