#1
Ok, I have a Squier Stratocaster and a Fender Frontman 15W amp. I am shopping for my 2nd amp, and I want a tube amp. Someone said that Craig's List is the way to go. I was looking on Craig's List, and saw this 70's Fender Vibro Champ Silverface Tube Amp: http://stlouis.craigslist.org/msg/744638522.html

Should I talk the price down? The other good amps I saw were an Epiphone Valve Standard seen here: http://stlouis.craigslist.org/msg/743062637.html and a Crate V16 Palomino seen here: http://stlouis.craigslist.org/msg/734580771.html

I play rock, hard rock, alternative, classic rock, and I guess some metal. I need the amp to be able to play in a gym, small club or theater, or auditorium. To give you an idea of the songs my band plays, here is some of the songs from our gig's next setlist:

1. Pork and Beans-Weezer
2. Steady as She Goes-The Raconteurs
3. Hate to Say I Told You So-The Hives
4. Reptilia-The Strokes
5. Either Love Train or Joker and the Thief-Wolf Mother
6.Lay Down-Priestess
7.Crazy Train-Ozzy Osbourne

Of course, any of these amps would need a distortion/overdrive pedal to achieve some of the hard rock sounds.
#2
If you're gigging the crate is your best bet, it will have a hard time doing cleans at gig volumes, but it will be loud enough otherwise. It will need a boost to do metal.

What's your price range? Any particular tone you need to nail?
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#4
I think your gonna need at least 30w tube to gig, so your gonna need some more $$. How can you gig and sound decent with a 15w SS amp like that? Save your money and get a Peavey Valveking, IMO its the most versatile, giggable all-tube amp for around $400. But for the price, it would be a really good recording amp.
#5
I'd go with the Epiphone but not use the DSP cuz it will add some coldness to the tone. what is your budget because and Epiphone Blues Custom would be good for you.
#6
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If you're gigging the crate is your best bet, it will have a hard time doing cleans at gig volumes, but it will be loud enough otherwise. It will need a boost to do metal.


+1

That's actually a nice price for the Vibrochamp, but it's not for you. $250 is a decent deal on the Palomino, too. I'd scoop that one up. It's the best of those, and very good for you. You won't get cleans at gig volumes, in general, but you'll get real good tone. My son has one. The USA model, as advertised here. It's really nice.
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#8
^ It has the best sound for the bands you're looking to play. You'll love the overdrive on it. The Champ would be better if you were playing Layla by Clapton, while the Epi Valve Standard is a little flat or stale sounding next to the Palomino.

And seriously, a USA model is a nice find.
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#12
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http://stlouis.craigslist.org/msg/744291319.html You mean that? Yeah, I don't think that's 200 watts, and I question of it's even a tube amp.


Looks like an old Classic 50 to me. I'd ask him where he got the 200W idea from. He could be reading the input wattage off the plate. Definitely looks tube.

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The Palomino is priced at $250, should I talk it down?


You should try, but that's not a bad price. That's what I paid a year or so ago.
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#13
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http://stlouis.craigslist.org/msg/744291319.html You mean that? Yeah, I don't think that's 200 watts, and I question of it's even a tube amp.



It has tubes. But 200 watts. No.

+1 to guy above me.
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I think your gonna need at least 30w tube to gig, so your gonna need some more $$. How can you gig and sound decent with a 15w SS amp like that? Save your money and get a Peavey Valveking, IMO its the most versatile, giggable all-tube amp for around $400. But for the price, it would be a really good recording amp.

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A valveking is NOT the awnser to "i have no money and want tubes"

A 15 watt tube amp is FREAKING LOUD. It will be able to gig, just not with cleans.
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#16
So between the Epiphone Valve Standard, 70's Fender Vibro Champ Silverface, Crate V16 Palomino, and 1973 Peavey Classic Series A Guitar Amp, who wins? And, should I talk down any prices?
#17
Also, I believe the Peavey Classic 50's went on sale in 1990/1991, so I doubt that's what that Peavey is.
#18
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So between the Epiphone Valve Standard, 70's Fender Vibro Champ Silverface, Crate V16 Palomino, and 1973 Peavey Classic Series A Guitar Amp, who wins? And, should I talk down any prices?

The Palomino wins. Always try to talk them down but like Slats said, $250 isn't a bad price. See if the guy will take $200, bring a hot chick with, that never hurts...
#19
Here's what you do: Snatch up that Palomino. That's a good deal. Got that taken care of? Now I'll paypal you $275, and you get me the Fender.

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#20
Why is the Palomino better for me? And also, how much do 70's Fender Vibro Champ Silverface Tube Amps normally cost? There is a modern day one for $250, but it's only 5 Watts: http://www.guitarcenter.com/Fender-Vibro-Champ-XD-Guitar-Combo-Amp-483069-i1371396.gc

How many watts is the 70's Silverface?

Does anyone think I should get the Epiphone Valve Standard or the 70's Fender Vibro Champ Silverface Tube Amp?
#21
if you could borrow a little cash or stretch your budget, this would be great for you. ive played palominos, and this and the classic 30 is way better, i thought.

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#22
Nah man, the Palos are way better.


Now listen to everyone's advice the first time around and get the Palomino.
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#23
^I wouldn't say the Palomino is "better" than the Fender at all. In fact, i'd take the Fender in a heartbeat over it. But, for what he plays, the Palomino is probably a better choice.
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#24
I was talking about the Palomino vs. the Classic 30, but yeah I agree with you about the Palo vs. the Fender in this scenario.
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#25
Oh gotcha.
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#26
I don't know if you guys know much about St.Louis, Missouri, but to get the U.S.A. model Crate V16 Palomino, seen here: http://stlouis.craigslist.org/msg/734580771.html , you have to drive 40 min. from my house to Glen Carbon, Illinois, and you have to drive right through the heart of East St.Louis. St.Louis is the most dangerous city in the United States of America, and East St.Louis is why. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_St._Louis,_Illinois#Crime

East Saint Louis is more dangerous than Compton, California, Gary, Indiana, New Orleans, Louisiana, Richmond, Virginia, Baltimore, Maryland, Camden, New Jersey, Detroit, Michigan, and Washington, D.C.

I could drive to the much safer House Springs, Missouri, but that guy gives the lamest description of his amp, it's a bad pic, and it's probably a Vietnam model. http://stlouis.craigslist.org/msg/712314957.html

Also, could you give me some examples of the kind of music you'd play with the Fender?
#27
^ I'd try to get the USA Palomino guy to meet you someplace "safe." Either that, or grow a set.

The Palomino's a 15W tube amp with a good amount of power behind it. As I mentioned, my son has one, and he's played his school auditorium with it, with a full band, at less than halfway up on the dial. It's got a rich, full, throaty OD for such a small amp. He's a fan of your kinda stuff, playing Wolfmother, Modest Mouse, RHCP, etc. With his Jekyll & Hyde, he can cover all of that and much more.

The Vibro Champ is a classic little practice/recording amp. It's 5W. The Champ sound was famously used by Clapton in his Derek and the Dominoes phase. It's a one-trick pony. It's a great trick, but it's limited - and it's definitely not a gigging amp.
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#28
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Either that, or grow a set.


I was going to say something similar, but I'd hate to be responsible for him getting mugged.

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It's got all the tricks I need, which is why he's gonna send it my way. Right, threadstarter?
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#29
lol! I'm trying to get the talk the Owner of a Fender Blues Junior down to the $200's also. Is that a good amp for what I want? I've heard it can do almost anything with the right pedal.
#31
^^The Palomino is probably better suited for what you play.
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#32
How about this Peavey Amp seen here: http://stlouis.craigslist.org/msg/747454651.html

There are some pics of it attached.

Oh yeah, the guy is also including a guitar, but I would ask him how much for just the amp.

Is it the same amp seen here? http://reviews.harmony-central.com/reviews/Guitar+Amp/product/Peavey/Mace+VT+Combo/10/1

Is it tube? And is this guy asleep at the switch because the people that reviewed what I think to be that amp on Harmony Central are paying between $350 and $700 for that amp.
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tweed ones are sweet.
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#35
^^Sure. Why wouldn't they be?
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#37
Should I get the Palomino EVEN if I can get the Fender Blues Junior for $300? (Which I can.)
#38
the palomino fits your style and it good for the price. But I would personally take a tweed bj, if not tweed, then the Palomino.
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#39
^Is the tweed different other than tolex color? That'd be a terrible reason to pick the amp.
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#40
I personally think it has a warmer sound. It's very small. I can hear it when I play them with my eyes closed which is which. They are also higher quality (generally from the ones I've played)
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