#1
Hey all,


I've recently bought a Marshall and I'm really digging the overdrive channel, but I find it lacking in the mid-gain kind of sound. It's great for that heavy, 2203 kind of sound but if I back the gain off to something a bit more in the Plexi territory, it lacks presence and sounds rather weak.

So... I've tried pushing the clean channel with an OD to get something like a Plexi kind of sound but I still feel that something is missing. I was thinking of getting a new OD, the one I have right now is a Japanese SD-1 and while it's great, it's pretty transparant and I wanted to colour my tone a bit more. I was thinking of getting something like a Marshall BB-2. Yay or Nay?

This is the tone I've managed to achieve with a bit of tweaking on the clean channel and the OD. http://boomp3.com/listen/byvd7jyfj_1/marsha

Sorry 'bout the quality.

Cheers!

#3
What marshall is it?
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#4
Quote by Simsimius
What marshall is it?


3203

Quote by kckyle
sell the one you have and get a plexi . problem solved yay


I like the one I have now though! Just not for mid gain.
#5
Buy another one and have two Marshall amps and look like a pro!

But seriously, I'd look into a MI Audio Crunch box. I hear they do the British plexi sound pretty well.
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#6
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Buy another one and have two Marshall amps and look like a pro!

But seriously, I'd look into a MI Audio Crunch box. I hear they do the British plexi sound pretty well.


Yeah, I was looking at that or the Box of Rock. I find them a bit too grainy for what I need though. I really don't want to use too much preamp gain.
#7
The bluesbreaker pedal might work for low - mid gain. It's worth a try...
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#8
Any possibility of cranking the clean?
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#9
Quote by MrCarrot
Any possibility of cranking the clean?


Yeah, it's not too pleasant from what I've heard. It has turd Sovteks in it, I'll swap the tubes out first and then see how the clean sounds pushed.
#10
Doesn't it have a tube power section, and an SS preamp?

If so, i'd probably get some different power tubes in it and try cranking the clean channel. That should sound good for more mid-gain tones.
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#11
Wait, how many tubes does it contain...?

I just checked the schematic and if that's right then it's an SS preamp married to a 30w EL34 Poweramp using a 12AU7 driver tube? Eeek.
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#12
Quote by darkarbiter7
Doesn't it have a tube power section, and an SS preamp?

If so, i'd probably get some different power tubes in it and try cranking the clean channel. That should sound good for more mid-gain tones.


It does. Mosfet preamp.

Quote by MrCarrot
Wait, how many tubes does it contain...?


2 EL34 1 12AX7.
#13
Misread sorry, yes a 12AX7.

....It's not going to sound like an old tube marshall. That is, in most respects, gonna sound like an SS amp I am sorry to say.
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#14
Maybe you should get a pedal with a pre-amp tube in it (one that runs at correct voltage, etc.).

I have no idea if you Blackstar sell stuff where you live, but there is similar stuff by AMT.

Just a suggestion.
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Guitar:
- Ibanez S670FM w/ JB
- Fender 'Lite Ash' Stratocaster
- Fender '72 Deluxe Telecaster
- Arbiter LP Jr. Doublecut
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RIP DIO
#15
Quote by MrCarrot
Misread sorry, yes a 12AX7.

....It's not going to sound like an old tube marshall. That is, in most respects, gonna sound like an SS amp I am sorry to say.


Well, it sounded very tube like to me.


I know I won't be able to get an exact plexi tone out of it, I'm not looking for that, I'm just looking for a better mid gain kind of sound.

I'll swap the tubes and try some pedals.
#16
yeah, it won't sound like a plexi.
But... if you swap out the power tubes for something better, you may like it.
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#17
I wouldn't hold your breath on it sounding brilliant from a tube swap. Maybe a small improvement but not huge. Mosfet circuitry is gonna sound more tubelike than BJT circuitry but it's still not tube. Best solution would be get another amp, I hate to use the phrase polishing a turd but.... that's kinda what it is. I don't like the soundclips you've done of it
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#18
Quote by MrCarrot
I wouldn't hold your breath on it sounding brilliant from a tube swap. Maybe a small improvement but not huge. Mosfet circuitry is gonna sound more tubelike than BJT circuitry but it's still not tube. Best solution would be get another amp, I hate to use the phrase polishing a turd but.... that's kinda what it is. I don't like the soundclips you've done of it


Well, I believe it's a shared preamp, because there is a 12AX7 in there. It might be the phase inverter but if it's in the preamp, I'll see if I can get a mod done to bypass the MOSFET.

The sound clips were done on a really crappy mic mind you.
#19
Yeah, but he may as well give it a shot.

Oh MrCarrot...
I posted in the ultimate speaker thread with some new findings, but it has fallen back quite a bit. Check my post on there and see what you think.

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Weber MASS Attenuator
#20
Quote by H4T3BR33D3R
Well, I believe it's a shared preamp, because there is a 12AX7 in there. It might be the phase inverter but if it's in the preamp, I'll see if I can get a mod done to bypass the MOSFET.

The sound clips were done on a really crappy mic mind you.
That's the phase inverter, the pre is all chips, i've seen the schem

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#21
Quote by MrCarrot
That's the phase inverter, the pre is all chips, i've seen the schem

^ Righto


I see! Oh well, it's not a big deal anyways. It sounds great regardless.

You'll have to hear this thing in person to really enjoy it. I'll mic it up one day and I'll bet you'll like it.
#23
Given what you're looking to do it might actually be worth giving the Boss BD2 a try.
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