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#41
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#43
Quote by IdiotWind
I didn't make it to make myself feel better about my purchase as I knew that a gibson is superior when I made my purchase. I'm broke as crap so gibson is out of my financial reach. I just knew that for the price it was a quality instrument that fitted my style of playing. my next purchase is going to be a MIM telecaster.

I've owned my standard since may and couldn't be happier with the $450 I spent
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And therefore NO ONE else's opinion matters.


/your own thread.

By the way, I say yes but i have no problem with cheapers stuff. Kids will do that to ya. Still getting a Falcon though...
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#44
There is only one LP copy that can be considered a "real" LP still,that is a Heritage,former Gibson employees.


Other than that,Gibson or Fender,if it is not made in America IT IS JUST A COPY,including made in Mexico budget strats.They may be good guitars but they are still not the real deal.


And personally I can tell a big difference in playing a Mexican strat vs American,and a Epiphone vs a real LP.
#45
I've owned an Epiphone in the past and have a Gibson now and the differences are definitely there in terms of quality and workmanship but I do think it still doesn't warrant the vast price difference between the two.
I can't say the Epiphone Les Pauls are the real deal but I have respect for them for their past history.
I actually think Gibson are the ones to blame to pretty much destroy whatever heritage Epiphone had left by buying them out.
Remembering that Epiphone were the biggest threat and rival to Gibson in terms of archtop guitar manufacturing in the past, they shouldn't be overlooked at all. They certainly have more history than most guitar companies around these days.

In terms of differences between, lets say the Epiphone Les Paul Standard and the Gibson Les Paul Standard, it's very noticeable and clear quality wise and sound wise.
I'll list what the Gibson has that the Epiphone has not from my own experience.

Wood - Premium one piece mahogany back, not multi piece cheaper wood Epiphone uses, and genuine solid AA graded flamed top. Epiphone uses a thin veneer flame maple to cut down on costs.

Frets - The binding job on the frets lead on to the frets instead of around it. Look at a close picture of it and you'll see what I mean. It's a pretty labour intensive job.

Finish - Nitrocellulose finish are a real pain to apply and costs considerably more than standard polyester/polyurethane finishes, but the result means better tonality of the guitar and ages nicely.

Hardware - Gibson hardware are certainly not the best - there are mod kits that are far more superior to the stock hardware - but they do warrant quite a high price tag and quality wise are a lot more durable than Epiphone hardware.

These are just some that I can think of. Keeping in mind labour costs in the US, the included Gibson hardcase that comes supplied and owning the 'prestige' of Gibson means you do pay more. If it's worth it or not comes ultimately down to the individual. I certainly have no regrets and I have been patient for over 3 years to get one - it's not a matter of if you have the money or not, it's really a matter of how long and hard are you going to work for it. For me the end result paid off.
#46
Quote by KISSguitarist
To be honest a real Les Paul is by Gibson just like a real strat is from Fender.

And epiphone is a Gibson company,
as Squier guitars even say Fender on it.
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#47
It's a Les Paul to me. Gibson themselves saw it fit to put the "Les Paul" moniker on the guitar. That in itself qualifies it to be a "Les Paul" guitar.

The fact that it's an Epiphone Les Paul shouldn't make any difference, other than the fact that it's an Epiphone branded Les Paul, other than a Gibson (which they still put on the headstock). It's still a Les Paul. No other guitar manufacturer has the legal right to put the "Les Paul" name on their guitars, and thus you have other manufacturers with Les Paul "styled" guitars.

I don't know how one can argue with the people that actually make the guitar.

Gibson/Epiphone: This is a Les Paul.
Player: No it's not.
Gibson/Epiphone: Yes it is, we made it to the specs of a Les Paul and have the legal right to make it a Les Paul, and therefore it is a Les Paul.
Player: It's not a Les Paul.
Gibson/Epiphone: Did you make it? Do you work for us?
Player: No.
Gibson/Epiphone: Then STFU...
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#48
I'd consider the proper Epi ones les pauls, not the cheap bolt on ones they make.
#49
Quote by NickoAbate
esp eclipses beat les pauls anyday

You do realize that without the Les Paul the Eclipses probably wouldn't exist right?
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#50
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You know The letters of AXL ROSE can Be re-arranges to make ORAL SEX


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#51
i would say the standard and custom Epiphone Les Paul are "Les Pauls".
The lower end ones are Just LP shaped, they sound nothing like a LP.
#52
Yes i would.
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#53
An Epiphone is a real Les Paul it's a licensed reproduction of Gibson Models they sound fairly similar to Gibsons but use foreign labour and they're just as good STOP all the Epiphone bashing its a good company and at one time Epiphones cost more Les Paul origanally built the log prototype at Epiphone but Gibson granted the production rights.
#54
I own a Epi and Gibson LP and I consider my Epi LP very worthy of the Les Paul name. There's some good ones, and there's some bad ones out there. When you find that diamond in the rough Epi LP, it'll be the best value guitar you'll ever buy.
#55
Quote by wrighty2012
An Epiphone is a real Les Paul it's a licensed REPRODUCTION of Gibson Models they sound fairly similar to Gibsons but use foreign labour and they're just as good STOP all the Epiphone bashing its a good company and at one time Epiphones cost more Les Paul origanally built the log prototype at Epiphone but Gibson granted the production rights.



OK,I'm not bashing them,they may indeed be decent,but you said it yourself,they are a reproduction.You can tell the difference when you play both
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#56
I consider it a Les Paul because a) Gibson owns Epiphone b) Les Paul's name is on the headstock c) It looks like a Les Paul d) Many high-end Epi's such as the Elitest series are arguably as good as Gibson studios.

However, my Dad on the other hand, only considers Gibsons to be Les Paul's. In his eyes, if it isn't a genuine American made Gibson, then it is not a real Les Paul.
#58
Quote by necroscience13
idk, theyre cheapened down to hell so that kind of ruins it in my eyes


Yeah but they're a bang for your buck, and you get some damn good quality guitars from Epiphone.
#60
Quote by SG310user
epiphone uses Gibson's designs, but with cheaper materials. Not that it makes it any less of a guitar, it just might not sound the same as a Gibson.

I think that's quite a contradictory statement. Isn't cheaper materials the biggest difference when comparing quality? How is a cheaper guitar NOT any less of a guitar....?


For me....Epiphone's just aren't the same, except for the HIGH end ones. They're too light for my Les Paul liking. If I don't have a sore back after jamming for 3 hours with a Les Paul, than something isn't right.
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#61
My Epi has the most comfortable and smooth neck I've ever played.

It's like butter ^ 2... and yes, I do consider Epiphone Les Pauls "real" Les Pauls. It's just a shape.
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#62
There may be some higher end Epiphones that rival a Gibson that I haven't tried.I don't even like some Gibsons,but the LP custom is awesome IMO.


Here is a thread I started on Heritage,they are of upmost quality made by former Gibson employees.Typically half the cost of a Gibson.A alrernative to those that can afford more than a Epiphone but not a Gibson.


https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/forum/showthread.php?t=738570
#63
Yes, because I got one today.
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#65
haha thats the best G'N'R trivia ive ever heard!
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#66
Yeh, It's a real LP. It's no Gibson, but it's still a LP. I have an epi LP standard, and I couldn't be happier with it.
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#67
I'm sorry Epiphoners. It doesn't matter how much you like your guitar. It doesn't
matter if it's "as good as" or better than. It doesn't matter what it's made out of.
I doesn't matter how smooth or great the neck is.

If it's not a Gibson Les Paul, it's a COPY of a Gibson Les Paul. A copy is not the
original, genuine article.
#68
Quote by TheGuitarDreams
MIM Fenders are good, Squier's suck

GET OFF THE BANDWAGON.
Quote by PollyWntsCrack
lmfao "Squier Strat"

all they were thinking was "we can't put stratocaster on this piece o' ****, our american stratocaster sales with drop!"

*cough*

Imo, an epi LP is as much of a real les paul as a Gibson, despite being cheaper built, because its built to the same specs as the Gibson, which were basically Les Paul's specifications. The way i see it, however, the slab bodied les pauls aren't "real" les pauls. I like them, a lot, but they weren't designed for les paul like the original carved top model was.
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#69
Quote by Blompcube
because its built to the same specs as the Gibson


"Specs" are easily reverse-engineered, and arguably others have done better
LP copies than Epiphone. Where's the line drawn? Gibson most likely specifically
used a different headstock shape so the Epiphones would NOT be mistaken for
the original. They're probably saddened its a lot more difficult to force other
companies to do the same.
#70
Quote by edg
"Specs" are easily reverse-engineered, and arguably others have done better
LP copies than Epiphone. Where's the line drawn? Gibson most likely specifically
used a different headstock shape so the Epiphones would NOT be mistaken for
the original. They're probably saddened its a lot more difficult to force other
companies to do the same.

still, its an official replica. Isn't it illegal for another company to make an exact copy without changing the dimensions and such a little? although, i've just remembered, the neck is angled back further on a gibson than on an epiphone, which does something to the feel.
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#71
Quote by Blompcube
GET OFF THE BANDWAGON.

*cough*

Imo, an epi LP is as much of a real les paul as a Gibson, despite being cheaper built, because its built to the same specs as the Gibson, which were basically Les Paul's specifications. The way i see it, however, the slab bodied les pauls aren't "real" les pauls. I like them, a lot, but they weren't designed for les paul like the original carved top model was.


there is no bandwagon, I'm saying that from personal experience. I played a MIM Strat and a Squier, MIM was sturdy and playable, the Squier had so many problems, every single one I used.
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#73
I agree! Epiphone Les Paul's are just as Les Paul-ish as Gibson Les Paul's.
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#74
i currently own an EPIPHONE les paul CUSTOM and fing it very les paulish...
some one even said it was as good as there own GIBSON les paul and wondered why he had payed so much more for it..
so yes i am standing up for epiphone as they make quality guitars.
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#75
what difference does it make if someone thinks its a real l/p or not? mines plays and feels as good as my gibson, but the gibson sounds alot better than the epiphone
#76
Quote by scottish nutter
what difference does it make if someone thinks its a real l/p or not? mines plays and feels as good as my gibson, but the gibson sounds alot better than the epiphone


And that's why it matters.
#77
Quote by Scream And Fly
And that's why it matters.


yes but an epi l/p is still a l/p, even though its a copy but id still class it as a l/p, it is never going to sound as good as a gibson, but for 4x the price i wouldnt expect it too
#78
Firstly, what defines a real Les Paul, I mean what are you really paying for? Price, Build Quality, bragging rights, having a little Gibson logo, sound, tone, mmm I dunno. 99% of punters wouldn’t be able to tell the difference in sound/tone quality, and at the end of the day that’s what it’s all about, right.

There’s lots of pro’s who use Epiphone, so if it’s good enough for them it’s good enough for me. If it’s good enough for The Edge to play (on some songs) on a World Tour it’s sure good enough for me to play.
I don’t know if it’s been mentioned in this thread or not, but most Epiphone’s are a great starting point, once you’re wallet allows, you can replace the PUP’s to suit your playing taste/style. Putting in top notch PUP’s will give you a stunning guitar for half the bucks of a LP.

I’ll be getting a 3 PUP Epi LP Black Beauty so,………. Yeah Epi’s are really LP’s.
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#80
Quote by Blompcube
GET OFF THE BANDWAGON.

*cough*

Imo, an epi LP is as much of a real les paul as a Gibson, despite being cheaper built, because its built to the same specs as the Gibson, which were basically Les Paul's specifications. The way i see it, however, the slab bodied les pauls aren't "real" les pauls. I like them, a lot, but they weren't designed for les paul like the original carved top model was.


Well....mine says STRAT.

problably why it sucks.