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Ok. So I went to Guitar Center today, and I tried out a guitar. I can't remember the exact model,but i believe it was ibanez. It had a Floyd Rose [sp] tremolo system, and a dude that worked there explained everything about how that works. but... he brought up something disturbing. He said that if you want to tune it to an alternative tuning other than natural, you have to have it done by a professional... Is it true??? Can I learn to tune it myself =o because obviously they won't do it for free. and i dont really know anyone to do it. Are all tremolo systems like this??? Oh, and another thing. When he was describing it, he said "This system has ups and downs. and I mean that in more ways that one". [the 'ups and downs as in pros and cons was the tuning[down] andi suppose how good it works[ups]. But then the other way he meant it, is he showed me how you can bend up and down. Was he jsut saying that or is that really the only system that can bend down too? =\ btw... how are Laguna guitars? ****ty? Ok? Good? Great?
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its a bit** to tune Floyd roses by your self, but you can do it
and no, there are other trems that do that but not standard whammys
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yea thats about right im trying to find a proffesional to get my Jackson DKMG to tune down to D standard (not to meantion fix the constant going out of tune)

Lagunas are good guitars, not amazing but definatly worth it
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Kahler locking systems are pretty good.
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...? Kahler Locking Systems??? Explain please. I have no idea what that is...
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there's actually a great thread on this site about how to tune your own floyd rose to a different tuning.... just search it.

and lagunas are pretty good, like fuzzbox said.
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a kahler is just another brand of whammy system.
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k. well... thanks. Ok... So they're pretty good.

How's this one [sound]? I can't seem to find what kind of tremolo system it has... maybe I overlooked it? If you find out, also tell me if it can bend down as well. but im off for now. I'll check back here later. Thanks for all the help guys.
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chances are its a floyd unless its an ibanez in which case its an ibanez trem (edge III, Edge Pro, or ZR for the S series) Kahlers look a bit different, they have bit more bulk to them, they are much sturdier and better if you are a whammy abuser, FRs are not as good as ZRs, Edge Pros (edge iiis are **** tho) or Kahlers.
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its not THAT hard to tune them. but its extremely time consuming
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k so u assume the one i linked to uses the FR system??? And idk if im an abuser or not yet, as i have never used one lol. if abuser means like, hard on it, i have wits. im metal, but not stupid. i know the limits. i know when im pushing, or in this case, pulling too hard. Lol. LOL. I'm not like trent reznor. "If equiptment missbehaves, it has to pay the price". I'm gentle, yet hard with it my gear. like... if it were sex, i'd be the ideal porn star. i do it gentle, but really hard at the same time. LOL.
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You don't need to get a professional to do it if you know what you're doing, however they're not designed for chopping and changing tunings - they're designed for being kept in one tuning. To change tunings on a Floyd you need to adjust the springs in the back cavity to level the bridge, they're also less tolerant of string gauge, you can get a way with Drop D using 9's but anything lower and you really should be changing to a higher string gauge.

Basically, if you want to change tunings then get a hard tail, if you want a guitar to keep in one tuning then go for a Floyd.
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the only thing I'll add to this conversation is the benefits of Strat type bridge and I realize you are not looking at Strats. Mine has a vintage non-locking tremelo that 'floats' to a certain degree so you can pull up or down. Maybe not quite like a FR but still noteworthy.

to me it is the best of both worlds from a FR vs Hardtail perspective because you can do your wammy's, stay in tune relatively decently, and change string gauges and TUNINGS with minor set up adjustments.
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Ok. So I went to Guitar Center today, and I tried out a guitar. I can't remember the exact model,but i believe it was ibanez. It had a Floyd Rose [sp] tremolo system, and a dude that worked there explained everything about how that works. but... he brought up something disturbing. He said that if you want to tune it to an alternative tuning other than natural, you have to have it done by a professional... Is it true??? Can I learn to tune it myself =o because obviously they won't do it for free. and i dont really know anyone to do it. Are all tremolo systems like this??? Oh, and another thing. When he was describing it, he said "This system has ups and downs. and I mean that in more ways that one". [the 'ups and downs as in pros and cons was the tuning[down] andi suppose how good it works[ups]. But then the other way he meant it, is he showed me how you can bend up and down. Was he jsut saying that or is that really the only system that can bend down too? =\ btw... how are Laguna guitars? ****ty? Ok? Good? Great?

just look how many threads there are on this site that start.........tuning problems with floyd rose or edge 3. my advice is when you make you purchase have the tech at guitar center change the strings set the action to how you like and the tuning you want and leave it. as far as just a string change you should be able to do that. use your other guitar for different tunings.
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Basically, if you want to change tunings then get a hard tail, if you want a guitar to keep in one tuning then go for a Floyd.

This.
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I assume a hard tail is a tremolo system? Can you bend up and down? How much does it cost? I'm picky. I admit. I'm NOT going to pay any more than 500 for a guitar. And the Laguna LE5442 or w/e [the one that comes in black/red with 24 frets] or the one i tried at GC [it was Ibanez I believe, but idk.] really caught my eye... like... i like the way it looks. but.. with the laguna, idk what kind of tremolo it has... would it be expensive to buy a FR or Hard Tail [if thats even a trem system] and have it installd/install it on the laguna? Or... idk!! help me. please. Ok? Here's exactly what I want. and REMEMBER. I AM NOT WILLING TO PAY MORE THAN 500 DOLLARS.

I want a good looking guitar with 24 frets... a good tremolo system that can bend up and down and that can handle different tunings easily.

and remember, no more than 500. thats really pushing it as it is. but i'm willing to do 500. no more.

EDIT: Also, I don't want to use the other one for other tunings. cuz it has no tremolo. =\. I really like the tremolo thing. its awesome.
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._. god damnit. nothings simple around here. who knows what kind of trem system the laguna uses? will that one be good for alternate tunings, and is it durable, or should I get the Ibanez I tried at GC? I know for sure that one has a FR tremolo.
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Why would you need a professional to tune your Floyd? Do it yourself, its valuable experience and saves you cash. Just learn how to do it.. find a tutorial online.
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LOL. Stfu, asshole. [the ass that couldnt handle the way I was ""Talking"" even though i really wasnt really ""Talking"" at all.] Don't act like you're better than everyone else, man. I don't, you shouldn't. No one should. I didnt mean anything by what I said. If I ever mean something, you'll know. trust me.

Now... Getting back on topic. I pretty much have it down. And I found out what kind of Tremolo system the Laguna I was interested in uses... Sort of. I don't know the manufacturer, but its a 'double locking' tremolo. so I assmue, if I read it right, that means you can bend up and down. so now, the only problem I have, is the laguna doesnt come with active pickups installed. [Not that I know of] I suppose I shouldnt really be surprised about that, so now I need to know the best actives. Soo... Yeah. What are the best ones? Or... do i really even NEED them? as of today pickups are pretty much the only thing i dont know about...
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LOL. Stfu, asshole. [the ass that couldnt handle the way I was ""Talking"" even though i really wasnt really ""Talking"" at all.] Don't act like you're better than everyone else, man. I don't, you shouldn't. No one should. I didnt mean anything by what I said. If I ever mean something, you'll know. trust me.

Now... Getting back on topic. I pretty much have it down. And I found out what kind of Tremolo system the Laguna I was interested in uses... Sort of. I don't know the manufacturer, but its a 'double locking' tremolo. so I assmue, if I read it right, that means you can bend up and down. so now, the only problem I have, is the laguna doesnt come with active pickups installed. [Not that I know of] I suppose I shouldnt really be surprised about that, so now I need to know the best actives. Soo... Yeah. What are the best ones? Or... do i really even NEED them? as of today pickups are pretty much the only thing i dont know about...

You're a wanker, but I'm still going to be helpful. He is better than you because he knows about tremolo systems and you don't.

YOU CANNOT CHANGE TUNINGS EASILY ON A GUITAR WITH A FLOATING BRIDGE

If you want to to change tunings frequently then get a fixed bridge. A vintage style tremolo is easier to change tunings on but won't give you the range of movement you want, you have extremely limited range for pulling up. You're not going to get anything with a worthwhile Floyd for $500 anyway....you maybe picky but you're also a cheap-ass.
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I assume a hard tail is a tremolo system?


a hard tail is when there is NO tremolo a soft tail is a nick name for Tremolos in general
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oh well whatever. I'm so discouraged. I might just go hang myself because you called me a wanker. Life ain't easy. I'll manage with tuning. And I'm sorry, but i don't intend on waiting a year or two to save up a thousand dollars to spend on a guitar. I trust the 500-550 range, as that is what i payed for my silverburst. and it is quite good. except for the lack of tremolo. so whatever. Call me all the names you want. he's still an ass, and at least I HAVE a wanker. Thanks for the info, brother. but I dont need your ****. I'll make it just fine. I, unlike some of the paranoid on this site, trust the GC staff. they wont call me wankers, and they will lead me in the right direction.

EDIT: I am not refering to you, sandman.
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well do you accually plan on using the Floyd Rose tremolo alot? if not then i would advise looking at something with a tune o matic styled bridge etc.
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probably. not like... excessively, but yeah. quite a bit.
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You really need to do some researching before you ask questions that can be found at the top of the page.
Have you seen the Alexi-200? I heard it was pretty gnarly for the price.
You also could get a Dean ML Noir, there pretty sweet.
Both guitars have a FR.
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mhmm. so... the laguna isnt very good then?
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oh well whatever. I'm so discouraged. I might just go hang myself because you called me a wanker. Life ain't easy. I'll manage with tuning. And I'm sorry, but i don't intend on waiting a year or two to save up a thousand dollars to spend on a guitar. I trust the 500-550 range, as that is what i payed for my silverburst. and it is quite good. except for the lack of tremolo. so whatever. Call me all the names you want. he's still an ass, and at least I HAVE a wanker. Thanks for the info, brother. but I dont need your ****. I'll make it just fine. I, unlike some of the paranoid on this site, trust the GC staff. they wont call me wankers, and they will lead me in the right direction.

EDIT: I am not refering to you, sandman.

No, they'll just take your money in exchange for something crap because you're uneducated and an easy mark

Why do people like you ask for advice when you don't actually want any, all you want is for people to tell you what a great decision you're making. Trust me, you won't manage with changing tunings on a floyd, it'll piss you off no end and you'll wish you never bought the thing if you want to change tunings much more than once a month. As far as $500 guitars go there's the small matter of your Silverburst having a FIXED BRIDGE. A good tremolo is expensive...an OFR is close to $200. If you want to do anything more than subtle vibrato and the odd dive then you need a locking trem, a vintage trem won't do it for you. If you bought a decent hard-tail for $500 then how good do you thing the bridge is going to be if you buy a trem-equiped guitar for the same money, the maths isn't all that hard.

I'll happily call you names while you continue to be rude, unreasonable and downright stubborn. You posted this question because you obviously know sod all about what you're thinking of buying, however you're stupidly ignoring any advice or information that goes against your misguided preconceptions.
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-raises hands at you- oooooh!!! How intimidating. You passed vocabulary. how impressive. I'm not the one that was rude first, brother. and im not stubborn. but wtf. I asked for a guitar with a tremolo. not a hard tail. And its not my fault that I can't afford more than 500. I'm sorry im not as wealthy as you. I'll make my decision. I dont need ****s like you, who try to make it look like im the rude one totally going against what i asked, and trying to make me buy something completely different than what I want. I'll educate myself and make the decision myself.
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oh well whatever. I'm so discouraged. I might just go hang myself because you called me a wanker. Life ain't easy. I'll manage with tuning. And I'm sorry, but i don't intend on waiting a year or two to save up a thousand dollars to spend on a guitar. I trust the 500-550 range, as that is what i payed for my silverburst. and it is quite good. except for the lack of tremolo. so whatever. Call me all the names you want. he's still an ass, and at least I HAVE a wanker. Thanks for the info, brother. but I dont need your ****. I'll make it just fine. I, unlike some of the paranoid on this site, trust the GC staff. they wont call me wankers, and they will lead me in the right direction.

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does any1 else find what he writes impossible to read!!!
anyway with the little amount you know about tremelos and the fact that ur need to be backed up on every decision u make i say u just leave ur money and not buy a guitar because you have no clue what your doing. Its been said by 10 people here floating bridges are not easy to tune and yet u still want to deny that. And u fight with people who try to help you and u dont like what they said. people should just not help you because ur just rude.

edit: and the gc staff isnt going to really help u they just want to make there money off of comissions.
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#35
You're right. I don't like what they said. because i dont care if its easy totune if its hard oh well. i'll deal with it. and once again, i am rude when people are rude to me. and i know a lot more than some people on here. and i'll pick it out myself based on my requirements. so stfu. by the way, filling in on what i said about me not being rude, im not the one thats calling people wankers. so whatever. be a man and learn to take it. and get the **** off the forums for the meantime. Thank you, all of those who stood for me. **** you, all of those who acted like pussies and called me rude.
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Bro, you asked if you could do alternate tunings yourself, they said they wouldn't recommend it. You asked a question and it got answered, they are not being rude. They are really not meant for alternate tunings though because they can be a bitch to set up, tune, and when changing string gauges you have to add or remove strings.
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I read most of the thread, but unfortunatly I was too lazy to finish the rest.
Thread starter, you might wanna do your research before you go ahead and buy a guitar that you know nothing about. No, you do not need a tech to setup your guitar, you just need to learn to do it yourself. Changing tunings isn't hard, but it takes more time than it would if you had something with a fixed bridge. I'm assuming you have another guitar, so if I were you I'd use that guitar to switch tunings and keep the one that has a floyd/Edge in one tuning.

Find out everything you can about something before you consider purchasing it, it'll help you alot in the future. From what I've seen of your post in this thread, you don't seam to know exactly what's what. Nobody on here is really trying to be an ass at all, but they're trying to help you out and you're getting pissed about it.


Also, it's difficult reading your post. You might be young, but either way it would be alot easier to read your post if you learned to use proper vocabulary.
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Its not very hard to re-tune a Floyd. It just requires a bit of patience. The only thing that would possibly require a professional is loosening the tension on the springs. But for that, all you need is a screwdriver. I learned about a week and a half ago how to retune the FR on my Rhoads from a YouTube video. Its still perfectly in tune, like I left it.

The GC guy just wants your money. lol

EDIT: I didn't see that gstacey1 already made that comment about GC.
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look these people ARE trying to help you...god knows why you are just being the wanker that you were called earlyer on..

i personally have an edge 3 tetm...not the best in know and i wish id saved up for a better one...if you buy a cheep guitar you WILL find your self with a cheep ass trem that you might like at the start but a few months down the line youll end up hating it...itll be hard to tune and wont keep its tuning and your new guitar thet you spent your hard earned money on will just become an ornament in the corner of your room...listen to these people they obv have more guitar experence than you and the deffos have more experence with floating trems that you
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