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This is the Blue Label Esprit 4 by British maker Fret-King. Why is this bass thread worthy?

-Set neck
-mahogany body/neck
-rosewood fretboard
-Fret-King P/J pickups
-surface mounted single saddle bridge
-10 pound weight

First off, this is a Tbird. First thing that comes to mind when you think Tbird is a poorly constructed, neck-heavy instrument that has a muddy sound. This bass has none of it. First of all, the surface mounted bridge removes the worry of it popping off as the epiphone version does. The p/j pickups give a "slightly edgier sound with cleaner note definition." Most importantly, this bass has no head-dive. None. I am not sure how they did this, but Guitarist Magasine thanks its reverse headstock for this.

Best of all? It's 600 euros. That is right inbetween the gibson and epiphone prices, and yet utterly destroys Gibson. This is a Thunderbird with litterally no issues at all priced at mid range level.

See Fitz? Tbirds can be good too.


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#2
hmm. uglier, but it seems much better than the Epiphone. it should have a few more woods in it though.
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#4
single saddle bridge? What if the intonation is messed up? The bridge pickup looks way too close for my liking.
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#5
Looks like it's balanced - it's a shame about the ugly. Plus, the intonation on that thing looks a bit nonexistant. But, I can imagine after a few redesigns, it'll be the Jazzmaster it was meant to be.
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#8
The mahogany is not that much of an issue.

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Gone are the booming and indistinct delivery associated with those early T-stye basses to be replaced with something much more versatile and sonically pleasing.


As for the bridge issue, Guitarist says this.
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Although in essence this offers a compromise in the intonation, in reality we found it to be perfectly acceptable and exactly right in a visual context.
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#9
Wait a sec, intonation can be taken in a visual context? Oh, and something more versatile and sonically pleasing than a T-Bird. Yep, that's an accomplishment.
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#10
that magazine is getting money for saying that. they probably wrote most of it before they ever even saw the bass.

and I think wenge neck>mahogany neck.
and ebony fretboard> rosewood fretboard.

even if it isn't too boomy, those would still be preferred.
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#11
The Epiphone Thunderbird proves that sound quality can be taken in a visual context, how is this different?

But seriously, I am not too worried about intonation, I always found that less is more with saddles (I have always enjoyed vint pbass bridges). The sustain on that bridge must be great.

As for the credibility of the article, it was a review, not a feature. The magasine's sales would plummet if anyone found that they were taking bribes.
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#12
all magazines do it. don't kid yourself. even if they don't, have you ever heard of the new guitar syndrome? they probably didn't pull it out of the closet after keeping it around for 8 years.

it looks like there are only 2 screws on it.

if that is true, it has the sustain of a rubber band.
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#13
How is less more with saddles? You have no intonation. You could only use one gauge of strings and one setup for the entire time you own the bass. Any change will send it out of whack, only fixable to a general level at best.
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The Epiphone Thunderbird proves that sound quality can be taken in a visual context, how is this different?

In my books (i.e. how it really is), intonation is not relative - the instrument either plays in tune all across the fretboard, or it doesn't. "It sounds like it looks" sounds a lot nicer than "it plays in tune like it looks."

If basses are born, it looks like the Charvel Star Bass family had an abortion.
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#15
Fine then, what would you prefer, a bridge that has poor intonation adjustment or a bridge that intermitantly pops off?
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#16
it's better. that doesn't mean amazing in every possible way.
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#17
That's the same question as this: what should you take - a clock that's completely dead, or a clock that works but constantly shows the wrong time? Answer - the completely dead clock. At least it shows the right time twice a day.

You need a new bridge either way, but I'd rather take the bass that plays in tune before it explodes. At least the bass explodes for no reason, not because I got frustrated with it and smashed it.
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That's the same question as this: what should you take - a clock that's completely dead, or a clock that works but constantly shows the wrong time? Answer - the completely dead clock. At least it shows the right time twice a day.

You need a new bridge either way, but I'd rather take the bass that plays in tune before it explodes. At least the bass explodes for no reason, not because I got frustrated with it and smashed it.

I too have a metaphor, would you rather walk over the grand canyon through a bridge that you know can collapse any second, or a very wobbly bridge that you may lose balance on?
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Most importantly, this bass has no head-dive. None. I am not sure how they did this, but Guitarist Magasine thanks its reverse headstock for this.
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anyone with two good eyes should be able to tell that it's the reverse body,
not the headstock that makes the difference.

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I have instant issue with the fact it's mahogany I'm a bad person.

Wait a minute...

What's wrong with mahogany? Is there some big flaw with it that I'm missing or is it just a personal preference?
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Wait a minute...

What's wrong with mahogany? Is there some big flaw with it that I'm missing or is it just a personal preference?

too much mahogany reduces all the clarity. and gives it mud. not fun.
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too much mahogany reduces all the clarity. and gives it mud. not fun.

Thanks for clearing that up.
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#23
That's ugly as hell.
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well at least i got a good sig out of this thread.

trying to defend a T-bird with a "not a T-bird, but looks kinda' like one" ???
mahogany is a dark tone wood, a set neck adds to that dark(muffled) sound. the
p-ups are a nice feature, but why the heck would you use a single saddle bridge?
this looks like a Jazzmaster/Explorer experiment.
with better woods, better bridge, and a bolt on neck, it could work. imo
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well at least i got a good sig out of this thread.
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trying to defend a T-bird with a "not a T-bird, but looks kinda' like one" ???
nail ... hammer ... right on the head.

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this looks like a Jazzmaster/Explorer experiment.
what would that be called? a Fibson with Gender confusion issues?
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#26
It looks like a Fender Jaguar's ever so slightly retarded cousin.
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#27
I read a review of this. Said it wasn't all that good. I was going to post it up until I saw the review.
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#28
It's a shame, Trevor Wilkinson does make some nice stuff.
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anyone with two good eyes should be able to tell that it's the reverse body,
not the headstock that makes the difference.


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#30
String instruments have done ok with fixed bridges for centuries, and most folk keep the same gauge and tuning mostly.
And there's the pythagorean error anyway, so what's the prob?
I think it's an interesting bass- i'd have one.
#31
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single saddle bridge? What if the intonation is messed up? The bridge pickup looks way too close for my liking.


Les Claypool's CT basses are mostly single saddle bridge thingies, and his intonation sounds alright to me...
I like how it looks, and there are a few basses that have a pickup close to the bridge, the warwick thumb comes to mind.
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String instruments have done ok with fixed bridges for centuries, and most folk keep the same gauge and tuning mostly.
And there's the pythagorean error anyway, so what's the prob?
I think it's an interesting bass- i'd have one.

No frets on string instruments, so you can sort the intonation out yourself. On guitars/smaller acoustic instruments with fixed bridges, they're usually compensated much better than that one, and the proportion in scale length from a bass to a guitar/mando isn't the same as the proportion to fret size. Smaller instruments with the same off intonation typically have a better time sounding 'in tune' because the fret size helps out a bit.

My Olympia has a bridge like that, and the G string is totally useless past the 15th fret. Not cool.

And what's the prob? Why not just put a properly functioning, and, hell, cool looking bridge (since that's all that seems to matter anyway?)
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No frets on string instruments, so you can sort the intonation out yourself. On guitars/smaller acoustic instruments with fixed bridges, they're usually compensated much better than that one, and the proportion in scale length from a bass to a guitar/mando isn't the same as the proportion to fret size. Smaller instruments with the same off intonation typically have a better time sounding 'in tune' because the fret size helps out a bit.

My Olympia has a bridge like that, and the G string is totally useless past the 15th fret. Not cool.

And what's the prob? Why not just put a properly functioning, and, hell, cool looking bridge (since that's all that seems to matter anyway?)


You win again. I forgot Les' basses that have frets have trems/proper bridges...
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#34
I personally think it looks pretty cool. Hell, just replace the bridge and it should be good, right?
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#35
Looks ugly, tbh I'd get a thunderbird and put the strap button under the neck to sort out the neck dive.

I'd only use it for mainly songs that don't really use any notes past the 12th fret, such as a lot of Jet stuff.
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#36
My only comment is that is a definite case of form and function gone horribly wrong.
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My only comment is that is a definite case of form and function gone horribly wrong.

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the almighty guitar guru trev wilkonson has let us all down....

It looks terrible but I get the feeling he knows something we don't when it comes to this single saddle bridge.
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what would that be called? a Fibson with Gender confusion issues?


Lol. Can i sig that?

I think the bass looks alright, but i wouldn't buy it.
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