#1
hmmm, i just finished playing for about an hour & 1/2...i must say, im not as impressed as i thought i would be ..idk what i expected, i mean..the EMGs, the great reviews, the same guitar some of my fav. bands use...

could it be my amp?

my high gain channel sounds all congested and muddy; like crap..i can barely distinguish notes when playing a lot of different notes fast

i mean basically...my epi lp custom sounded almost the same as the Hellraiser, and keeping the LP wouldve saved me money instead of selling it to have gotten this


alhtough i DO plan to get a 5150 combo this weekend....

do you think i can make this guitar sound worthy of its capability through that?

and i cant seem to get those hardcore squels out of it...i get the same squels i got from my Epiphone..i thought you could squel the crap outta EMGs?!

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#2
may need the pickups raised or lowered. sounds like maybe lowered.


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#3
What amp do you have?
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#4
1. You can do pinch harmonics incredibly effectively with EMGs.
2. The 5150 will make a tremendous difference. If you're still having a problem after you get it, post back here.
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What amp do you have?


Flextone II 2x12

and before some people say, "im suprised, the Flexy is actually quite good"
i realize this, but something about the tone just sounds cheap

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#6
Just because you have the EMGs doesnt mean you can automatically "squeal" them.

Its how effective your pinch harmonics are and the vibrato that follows. You can "squeal" stock Ibanez pickups with the know-how.
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Just because you have the EMGs doesnt mean you can automatically "squeal" them.

Its how effective your pinch harmonics are and the vibrato that follows. You can "squeal" stock Ibanez pickups with the know-how.


+1, quoted for truth.

It really depends on your technique. And also, the way you EQ your amp plays a part in getting those crazy squeals. Heck, as IWank7Sevens said, i get crazy squeals with my stock Ibanez pickups.
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#8
EMGs make most amps sound worse than they would with passive pickups (in my experience anyway, they make lesser amps sound muddy and undefined, exactly as you would expect very high output pickups to do) it's only when you pair them with a very high gain amp (exactly like a 5150) that they start to shine IMO, wait until you get the 5150 and dial it in and then see if you're still not too impressed.

If I may judge you based on your gear, if you have a Hellraiser and are getting a 5150 I'm guessing you're into metal and if you are I'll bet that you'll be very pleased with that combo.
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#9
Hey, let me give you a couple words of advice on the C-1 Hellraiser.

My friend has had one for about two years. he was pleased with it for about 11 months, when it started giving him all sorts of problems. Mainly though, the biggest problem he had was with his truss rod, which inconsistently shifts all over the place, oftentimes screwing up the action.

Honestly, I've never been a fan. The fretboards alway's felt weird to me, and the bridge pickup was way to scratchy and hyper sensitive (like a d-sonic), in that guitar, at least.
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#10
so, to answer your question, get a different guitar. An esp maybe! :-D
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EMGs make most amps sound worse than they would with passive pickups (in my experience anyway, they make lesser amps sound muddy and undefined, exactly as you would expect very high output pickups to do) it's only when you pair them with a very high gain amp (exactly like a 5150) that they start to shine IMO, wait until you get the 5150 and dial it in and then see if you're still not too impressed.

If I may judge you based on your gear, if you have a Hellraiser and are getting a 5150 I'm guessing you're into metal and if you are I'll bet that you'll be very pleased with that combo.


not straight up metal...but more metalcore, hardcore, hard southern rock, punk rock

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#12
ha, welcome to emg's
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#13
Like people would say, the Flextone is actually a decent amp. The thing about it is, it's still a modeller. It emulates other amps using solid state technology. Not saying that's a bad thing, as it does what it does quite well. However, because the amp changes your tone to replicate different amps and such, a lot of guitars end up sounding the same through it. You lose the individualistic tone of the guitar. Most (not saying all, but definitely most) humbuckers will sound pretty much like other humbuckers through that amp and the differences tend to be lost or, at the very least, subdued due to the amps modelling.

A tube amp (like the 5150 you intend on getting) will definitely allow the differences to shine, and you'll get back the little nuances that make different guitars sound, well different.
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#14
Try switching out the battery for a fresh one if you havn't, that might give you a bit of extra clarity of the old one is fading.

When you get your new amp, don't forget gain down and volume up to stop the annoying fizz!
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Like people would say, the Flextone is actually a decent amp. The thing about it is, it's still a modeller. It emulates other amps using solid state technology. Not saying that's a bad thing, as it does what it does quite well. However, because the amp changes your tone to replicate different amps and such, a lot of guitars end up sounding the same through it. You lose the individualistic tone of the guitar. Most (not saying all, but definitely most) humbuckers will sound pretty much like other humbuckers through that amp and the differences tend to be lost or, at the very least, subdued due to the amps modelling.

A tube amp (like the 5150 you intend on getting) will definitely allow the differences to shine, and you'll get back the little nuances that make different guitars sound, well different.


you sir are brilliant!! this is an excellent explanation & makes perfect sense, thanks!!

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#16
+1 to what Hakael said.

From my own experience, anything that is not a high gain (and high quality!) tube amp sounds bad with active pickups - Be it Vox, Line 6 or whatever. I can't explain why, but it always sounds like a harsh high frequency hiss with a lot of muddy rumbling in the low frequencies. Usually, tube amps handle EMGs and similar pickups better, so you should be happy once you get the new amp.
#17
I dunno. I have active pickups (although not EMGs) in a couple of guitars and
they sound absolutely great thru my battery powered micro cube.

I think this is more expectations exceeding reality and to a certain extent trying to
get a type of sound out of equipment not capable of producing it and maybe to
some extent playing. It's really the last thing you get the best sound out of.
#18
The squeals/pinch harmonics problem could be from the scale differences between the 2 guitars. The Hellraiser is 25.5 and the the Epi is 24.75. Your probably used to where the "pinch harmonic sweet spot" on your Epiphone but you haven't figured out where that spot is on the Schecter because of the longer scale length.

Also try turning the gain down on your amp, the EMG's are a lot higher output than the stock Epiphone pickups and you're probably using to much gain.
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so, to answer your question, get a different guitar. An esp maybe! :-D

no im even more dissapointed in the esp i got on the same day, i had the adjust the truss rod like a bizitch to get decent action without TONS of fret buzz, but besides that its pretty decent, doesnt feel like sturdy though, i like my jackson a lot better..
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