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My band has a gig coming up on August 2, and it's a birthday party of a friend of ours. We will most likely be playing a set of 3-4 covers and 4 originals. My bass player bitches about how for the gig we are 'screwed' when our band doesn't have a singer, and the drummer and I agree that I will sing the songs, because I can help carry that weight. My bass player should atleast try to sing a song himself, but puts no effort in trying to sing what so ever, contribute original ideas/riffs, or put himself out there when we are on stage (In all our past gigs he just stands in the same spot, and doesn't move at all). The drummer and I have agreed that we are going to talk to him at our next rehearsal, and tell him he needs to step it up. If he doesn't step it up, we going to have to get rid of him. What should I do about my lazy bass player?
#2
Boy...you're gonna carry that weight,
carry that weight, a long time...


By who? Who?
Bonus points for who sang that!
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Boy...you're gonna carry that weight,
carry that weight, a long time...


By who? Who?
Bonus points for who sang that!


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kick him out
#5
all bass players are like that.
well, 90% are
don't consider getting rid of him unless you have somebody better waiting in the wings.
if he doesn't feel confident singing or being on stage then you and the other bandmates putting pressure on him like that is not going to help.
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Get rid of him... bass is overrated anyway



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all bass players are like that.
well, 90% are
don't consider getting rid of him unless you have somebody better waiting in the wings.
if he doesn't feel confident singing or being on stage then you and the other bandmates putting pressure on him like that is not going to help.


I don't know where live, but bass players here where i live actually contribute things to the band, like stage presence and song ideas.
#8
I dunno if you know, but bass players are supposed to stand motionless, off to the side. This is of course false.

If you dont like him and he wont contribute, dont keep him around, the tension will ruin the fun for the band.
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well i wouldnt get rid of him, but he shouldn't stand around on bass, it's the easiest instrument! ( i know because i play bass), he has the most breathing room so he should be doing the most moving.
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kick him out

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it's the easiest instrument! ( i know because i play bass), he has the most breathing room so he should be doing the most moving.


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#14
Generally it's harder for bass players to sing while playing than guitarists (More contrasting rhythms), and unless you have a replacement ready, I really wouldn't suggest kicking him out, since the main problem for a lot of teenagers that want to start a band is they lack a bassist. It sounds to me like he's getting on your nerves more than just being boring on stage and not helping you write, though, so if you've got a bad vibe going on, it might be a good idea to get rid of him and just go for a while without a bass. Of course, you can always find another guitarist and switch to bass yourself if you REALLY want to help "pull your weight."
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Generally it's harder for bass players to sing while playing than guitarists (More contrasting rhythms), and unless you have a replacement ready, I really wouldn't suggest kicking him out, since the main problem for a lot of teenagers that want to start a band is they lack a bassist. It sounds to me like he's getting on your nerves more than just being boring on stage and not helping you write, though, so if you've got a bad vibe going on, it might be a good idea to get rid of him and just go for a while without a bass. Of course, you can always find another guitarist and switch to bass yourself if you REALLY want to help "pull your weight."


I've even put into consideration taking over on bass, and the drummer and I have already found a guitar player who we've played with before, and it was real fun.
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Then you are doing something wrong

no, face it. there's the simple fact that some instruments are easier than others.
they can't all be equal. We know that socialism doesnt' work. With western music, lower instruments are given easier parts. IE, bass. It's a simple fact of music, and it takes maturity to understand that.
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I've even put into consideration taking over on bass, and the drummer and I have already found a guitar player who we've played with before, and it was real fun.


You should totally go for it, then! Your bass player doesn't sound too fun to play with, so tell him you've found someone who knows how to have a better time than him. If you want to give your bassist another chance, tell him to at least fake like he enjoys playing by moving around a bit.
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no, face it. there's the simple fact that some instruments are easier than others.
they can't all be equal. We know that socialism doesnt' work. With western music, lower instruments are given easier parts. IE, bass. It's a simple fact of music, and it takes maturity to understand that.


Go play Portrait of Tracy, Won't Get Fooled Again (live version), anything by Primus, anything by Billy Sheehan, and then tell me that the bass parts in those songs are easier than the guitar parts.

Prick.

Take the guitar out of your ass and try thinking even slightly outside the box.


On the original topic, I reckon it's probably a good move to get a new guitarist in if you enjoy playing bass (don't switch over unless you actually think you'll enjoy it).
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no, face it. there's the simple fact that some instruments are easier than others.
they can't all be equal. We know that socialism doesnt' work. With western music, lower instruments are given easier parts. IE, bass. It's a simple fact of music, and it takes maturity to understand that.


bull****. Find a blues, jazz or classical piece (the basis of western music) with simple bass. Ignorant ****s like you are just as bad as lazy bass players
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messiah, you seem to have a lot of problems within your band, i've noticed your name around here alot. Basically, don't worry over something that isnt worth worrying about. It's fair enough if he doesnt wanna sing, some find that extremely hard to sing in front of crowds, and only a handful of people are actually decent singers (i only know 3 decent singers, and i know a lot of people). Just ask him to move around on stage, he looks more stupid standing there like an outta place s.o.b than he would if was moving round, jumping and actually looking like he enjoys himself.

The key point:

Talk to him.
#21
He won't sing? Thats no reason to get angry at him, he probably a)can't sing b)can't sing while playing bass (which is a lot harder than while playing guitar) c)doesn't want to sing!
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He won't sing? Thats no reason to get angry at him, he probably a)can't sing b)can't sing while playing bass (which is a lot harder than while playing guitar) c)doesn't want to sing!

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Absolutely, I started playing bass and singing in my first band because our guitarist, who had a great voice and could play and sing at the same time, no problem, was just too shy to sing on stage. I didn't have any such hangups so I did it, simple as that, even though he had a better voice than me. There was just no point in pushing the issue.
Many people are like this, playing an instrument is one thing but singing is a much more personal thing.
You may as well ask an arachnophobe to play with a handful of spiders and if you try and force the issue, he's just gonna clam up and refuse, then you'll argue about it, then you'll probably lose a bass player, which can be an absolute bummer to replace because everyone wants to be a guitarist.
If the guy doesn't wanna be a singer, he doesn't wanna be a singer, end of story, but you obviously don't have the same problem with singing as your bassist, so you do it, and if you feel you can do it but you just don't want to, then just do it until you can find a singer.
#23
You didn't hire him as a singer. My cat doesn't chase sticks and my dog doesn't catch mice, but I'm not chucking either of them out on the streets for it.

It's harder to play bass while singing than play guitar while singing in my opinion.
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Quote by Pazuzu195
Get rid of him... bass is overrated anyway


Haha.

If he's a good friend then just encourage him and try persuade him to move round more so he don't look so miserable. If he's just an utter idiot, and you've got someone waiting who is a good bassist and you believe would benefit the band, get rid of him. I'd personally just have an honest word with him and if he takes it well and starts doing what he's meant to then good, but if he goes all moody then **** him and get rid of him.
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well i wouldnt get rid of him, but he shouldn't stand around on bass, it's the easiest instrument! ( i know because i play bass), he has the most breathing room so he should be doing the most moving.


PHAIL. I play some intricate basslines for my band, and I'm still able to move around.
#26
I totally agree with smb, he wasn't hired to be a singer, so why should he? Maybe he can't sing, maybe he can't multi-task, although it is a bit slack of him to not contribute to making the instrumental part of songs, so you can still confront him about that.
#27
How long has your bass player been playing for? When I first started playing I was stiff as a board, I wouldn’t move and just stared at my fretting hand the whole time I played, wether I was by myself or in front of people.
As I grew familiar with the instrument and the material I was playing my confidence improved and so did my stage presence.
If he hasn’t been playing long just keep that in mind when you’re talking to him.
As for the singing bit, he may just not be a good singer.
#28
MY bass player..well I think thats a bit too much.

If he doesnt want too sing..you cant force him too. For the moving around part, maybe you could link up with him onstage during lead breaks..make it a little easier for him.
#29
Maybe he's... not a good singer? and in that case, why would you want him to sing?

Seriously though, a band should be about having fun more than anything, and you shouldn't force him to sing. He plays bass, and as long as he can do that alright, he is pulling his weight. If you really want him to help, have him help find a singer.
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#30
Tell him that a band is a comittment, and that the stage show is part of it. Tell him you don't want to, but if you have to, you will find a bass player who will committ more than just bass.
#31
I have the perfect solution! Kick him out and get Geddy Lee to join your band!

But really now, if you dont want him in the band and he doesnt seem to enjoy Id just search for a replacement behind his back and if you find one kick him out.
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Quote by messiah01
My band has a gig coming up on August 2, and it's a birthday party of a friend of ours. We will most likely be playing a set of 3-4 covers and 4 originals. My bass player bitches about how for the gig we are 'screwed' when our band doesn't have a singer, and the drummer and I agree that I will sing the songs, because I can help carry that weight. My bass player should atleast try to sing a song himself, but puts no effort in trying to sing what so ever, contribute original ideas/riffs, or put himself out there when we are on stage (In all our past gigs he just stands in the same spot, and doesn't move at all). The drummer and I have agreed that we are going to talk to him at our next rehearsal, and tell him he needs to step it up. If he doesn't step it up, we going to have to get rid of him. What should I do about my lazy bass player?


If he's singing "a few songs" this implies that the rests of the band is singing some.

What's the point of enforcing singing for each member? If you're so capable of singing, why aren't you just fronting the band?

That said, it sounds like you're looking for a different kind of bassist. In spite of the fact that I think you're concentrating on all the wrong things, it's obvious you need someone else.
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Quote by cashewchaching
no, face it. there's the simple fact that some instruments are easier than others.
they can't all be equal. We know that socialism doesnt' work. With western music, lower instruments are given easier parts. IE, bass. It's a simple fact of music, and it takes maturity to understand that.


So because the standard of western music ( or rock music, you wouldn't really say this about jazz) means that generally people's basslines have been easier it makes the instrument as a whole easier? I'd wager that a fair ampunt of the synth stuff in a lot of rock/"western" music is piss easy, just a little here and there to back everything up, add emphasis to a chorus; that doesn't mean that playing keys is easy does it?

also not everyone in a band will be able to pull the same weight, maybe this guy just can't sing or write songs to save his life.
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Quote by messiah01
My band has a gig coming up on August 2, and it's a birthday party of a friend of ours. We will most likely be playing a set of 3-4 covers and 4 originals. My bass player bitches about how for the gig we are 'screwed' when our band doesn't have a singer, and the drummer and I agree that I will sing the songs, because I can help carry that weight. My bass player should atleast try to sing a song himself, but puts no effort in trying to sing what so ever, contribute original ideas/riffs, or put himself out there when we are on stage (In all our past gigs he just stands in the same spot, and doesn't move at all). The drummer and I have agreed that we are going to talk to him at our next rehearsal, and tell him he needs to step it up. If he doesn't step it up, we going to have to get rid of him. What should I do about my lazy bass player?



try and convince him to have stage presence at least, but not everyone's meant to be a singer, he could try you're right but if he's not a good singer do you really want that for your band? Now as for original riffs and ideas, idk what to tell you because when a guitarist or drummer writes the riffs for you most of the time it comes out not what the bassist wants, but if he isn't complaining about what you're playing I say keep him if he gets stage presence or search for another, we bassists aren't in short supply...
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well, i never said bass is ALWAYS easier, i mean, i play Mudvayne stuff, and that **** is hard, but it does sound cool, but you dont have to just stand there and play it, you can make it a little more exciting.
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Quote by messiah01
My band has a gig coming up on August 2, and it's a birthday party of a friend of ours. We will most likely be playing a set of 3-4 covers and 4 originals. My bass player bitches about how for the gig we are 'screwed' when our band doesn't have a singer, and the drummer and I agree that I will sing the songs, because I can help carry that weight.


Understandable

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My bass player should atleast try to sing a song himself, but puts no effort in trying to sing what so ever,


Said before, not everyone is a singer, and he wasn't hired as one.

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contribute original ideas/riffs, or put himself out there when we are on stage (In all our past gigs he just stands in the same spot, and doesn't move at all).


Tell him to step up on the writing his own material. Does it matter that he just stands in the same spot? The bassist of Between the Buried and Me has his feet nailed to the floor, but he is amazing.

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The drummer and I have agreed that we are going to talk to him at our next rehearsal, and tell him he needs to step it up. If he doesn't step it up, we going to have to get rid of him. What should I do about my lazy bass player?


Out of all of this, just try and get him to start writing his own material. You shouldn't really worry about the rest.
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#37
Not everyone can sing good or play and sing at the same time so getting rid of him for that is dumb in my opinion. The whole he just stands there on stage and doesn't move also really dumb in my opinion not ever likes to run around on stage they'd rather be able to play first. The whole non contributing in ideas thats a little bit of a problem but if he is fine with all the ideas of what you guys throw out and can actually play them let it be he's gonna be fine. But if you really need to get rid of him for those reasons 1 being reasonable do it.
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Quote by cashewchaching
no, face it. there's the simple fact that some instruments are easier than others.
they can't all be equal. We know that socialism doesnt' work. With western music, lower instruments are given easier parts. IE, bass. It's a simple fact of music, and it takes maturity to understand that.


For the most part yeah, but you can make some complex bass lines on that instrument (Geddy Lee, Steve Harris, Les Claypool).

Im guessing this guy doesnt have to play anything like that though. So yeah, hes playing the easiest instrument in the band.
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I'm getting the impression that he's pretty new to playing shows and being in a band in general. He just needs to be more comfortable on stage, and you only get that when you play more and more shows. Don't put too much pressure on him or he might leave you. Just encourage him to give it a try at least.
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