#1
yes im upgrading my amp soon, and i am torn between these two amps..

so basically i can buy a 6505 now, or keep saving another $3000 for a mesa.

i love the mesa boogie tone, such as petrucci's, but i dont know whether its worth saving all that money for.. i dont really want to spend $6500 on an amp..

so which is a better amp..

ive played a 6505, and absolutely loved the distortion, but didnt like that it didnt have a seperate eq between channels.. so i would have to get the 6505+ anyways..

does the dual recto have good cleans and distortions?
and is it worth saving for?


sorry if this doesnt make much sense its late and im tired lol.
any help is good tho.
thanks =]
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#2
I say just get the 6505.
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#3
I'd say just go play them both for a while in a store....and if you really love the recto tone over the 6505, then save for it. Your ears are the best guide man...know what I'm saying?

Maybe also try like a Marshall TSL head and a Hughes and Kettner Triamp as other options...

On a personal note, I'm not much of a fan of the cleans on a Recto...I use a Triaxis for dist sounds and a Vox for clean....

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#4
Well if you want recto distortion with good cleans I would recommend the roadster, it's $2000 for the head and it's pretty much a roadking without progressive linkage
#5
^he lives in australia though so it would be waaaaaay more than 2000
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#6
I'm really happy with my 6505+. The cleans aren't really as bad as people say they are especially if you know what you're doing with the eq.
#7
If you really love the Mesa tone, import one from the US, it will be WAY cheaper.
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#8
Petrucci uses a Mesa Mark IV a lot in Dream Theater, but also used a Roadking, Mark IIC+ and lots of others. If you really like the tones Petrucci gets, gun for a Mark IV. Since they're easily a grand used in the US, finding one in Australia used (or new, if they still stock them) may be tough. Your best bet would be importing it.

Also, try looking at either the DC-5 or DC-10 heads/combos from Mesa. They're basically a Mark/Rectifier fusion that sounds really great. I like messing around with Dream Theater stuff (some of John's solos are a little out of my league atm, but i can play a few), and I can get really spot on to a recent DT sound, especially with my Ibanez. I got mine for about 700 used, so they may be a cheaper alternative that'll sound better (in my opinion) than a Dual Rectifier (it's a lot tighter, yet loose enough so your leads are expressive and dynamic, plus it's got a great clean channel). I've also heard from a few DC and Mark owners on various forums that a bunch actually like the DC as much, if not more, than their Mark series amps, so it may be something to look into.

I like the 5150/6505 series a lot, don't get me wrong, but the cleans aren't exactly the greatest you can get. But, if you don't use cleans much if at all, than that may be the way to go, especially due to your location.
#9
Dual Recto v. 6505

No competition there. Recto FTW.
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Dual Recto v. 6505

No competition there. Recto FTW.


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It all depends on the kind of distortion you want. If you want loose, brighter sounding distortion go with the Mesa. If you want a tighter, rawer, darker, more aggressive distortion go with the 6505. If you need that extra EQ the 6505+ is just as good in the distortion department. Sorry if I described the 6505 more than the Rec but I've had a lot more time with that amp in GC.
#11
well i tried both extensively today, the 6505 is way tighter a little brighter in my opinion but not as versitile.

It has more crunch and its not as fizzy as people say if you roll down the treble a bit, but i liked the mesa better.
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#12
Neither

Get a Rect-O-Verb or Trem-O-Verb combo. Best of both worlds, darker than the recto without the flabby terrible low end.
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#13
I like the lead tones the dual rec has better, the leads on 5150's and 6505's just don't sound that great IMO.
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Neither

Get a Rect-O-Verb or Trem-O-Verb combo. Best of both worlds, darker than the recto without the flabby terrible low end.

+1

A local band in my area had a Rect-O-Verb and it had more gain then you will ever need and it was pretty dark sounding IMO
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#15
TORSION, have a look at the Guitar Gear AU boards (http://www.guitargear.net.au/discussion/index.php). There is a for sale section there, and someone was selling a near new Dual Recto head on there for 2k (australia).
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#17
Theres a trem o verb head for sale over on melband for .... $2100 with power supply, new tubes and recent service.
You might want to go check it out.
In the second hand market 5150's/6505's are normally about $1300 - $1600 and dual recs about $2000 - 2400. When there is less than a grand in it the mesa might be the better option in the long run.
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#18
Neither, go for the Mark IV if you like Petrucci's tone.
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Quote by rwalby9
Neither

Get a Rect-O-Verb or Trem-O-Verb combo. Best of both worlds, darker than the recto without the flabby terrible low end.


This will also work, but to me the Mark IV is the best Mesa amp today. But, you have to know how to tweak it, and Petrucci's settings he put on his own website himself is on there, and it's very smooth sounding.
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This will also work, but to me the Mark IV is the best Mesa amp today. But, you have to know how to tweak it, and Petrucci's settings he put on his own website himself is on there, and it's very smooth sounding.

But the TS is in Australia, and Mesas aren't cheap over there.
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#21
i use cleans a fair bit yea, thats why i want the seperate eq. i didnt really mind the clean i got on the 6505 either.
i went to a john petrucci clinic and he used 2 dual rectos, and they sounded sweet. i knew he used the mark 4, but yea.. i think dual rectos are cheaper?

are mesa boogies cheaper in america?
if so why?

and what is a rect o verb?
or a trem o verb?
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#23
Where will you be buying your mesa from? And also is it 6 grand with the cab, because I'm sure you could get the head for 3700 and the cab for around 1500. Thus making it 5200. Buy second hand whether it be off ebay or somewhere else. I always see dual recs on ebay (aus) going for around 2 grand.
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#24
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i use cleans a fair bit yea, thats why i want the seperate eq. i didnt really mind the clean i got on the 6505 either.
i went to a john petrucci clinic and he used 2 dual rectos, and they sounded sweet. i knew he used the mark 4, but yea.. i think dual rectos are cheaper?

are mesa boogies cheaper in america?
if so why?

and what is a rect o verb?
or a trem o verb?


it varies depending on what kind of deal you can find. mesa's are cheaper in america because there made here and don't have to be imported or shipped into the country. a rect-o-verb is just a regular recto. with built in reverb, and if my memory is correct a trem-o-verb is a recto. with built in tremolo and reverb....

i personally wouldn't get a rectoverb, to me the extra reverb option isn't worth the money. you can get a regular recto. and buy a good reverb pedal of your choice if you like reverb. just my .02 cents though
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