Poll: More significant historically?
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#1
What do you think will be a more significant invention historically, in your opinion? Why? Both have had a profound effect on human culture and have changed societies forever.

Or perhaps there are other inventions that you think have changed human culture more? When books first became popular conservatives thought they would ruin conversation. Then some said the same about TVs. Now internet is overtaking TV in terms of cultural influence.

Discuss significant inventions. (I have used searchbar by the way).
#2
The printing press is more significant. It's like comparing the first boat to the QEII.
#3
Good question. The early printing press didn't really reach the masses at first, and it only printed Bibles and shit. I'd say internet, God bless porn.

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Printing press. If we didn't have the printing press, our technology would be centuries behind what it is today, it helped with the mass production of text and thus information spread much faster.
Without the internet, the world would just have alot less porn in it, people would have to find out how to do things for themselves and there wouldn't be a place for social networking. Imo, if there wasn't an internet, people would be going out more.
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#6
I'd say other, as the invention of the flint blade changed the destiny of humanity beyond recognition.
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Good question. The early printing press didn't really reach the masses at first, and it only printed Bibles and shit. I'd say internet, God bless porn.


The internet was around long before it brought porn to the masses.

And really, the printing press made the same giant leaps for porn in its time.
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Printing press. If we didn't have the printing press, our technology would be centuries behind what it is today, it helped with the mass production of text and thus information spread much faster.
Without the internet, the world would just have alot less porn in it, people would have to find out how to do things for themselves and there wouldn't be a place for social networking. Imo, if there wasn't an internet, people would be going out more.

But that's like saying if we didn't have the rifle, we wouldn't have got the machine gun. That's not the point. He's asking which is more historically important.

IMO it's about the trade of information that makes both of them so important and this such a difficult question. I would say that the internet is a more free and accessible basis of information than books for the reason that books cost more money and are more difficult to locate when searching for particular or specialised areas of research (ordering books vs wikipedia).
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But that's like saying if we didn't have the rifle, we wouldn't have got the machine gun. That's not the point. He's asking which is more historically important.

IMO it's about the trade of information that makes both of them so important and this such a difficult question. I would say that the internet is a more free and accessible basis of information than books for the reason that books cost more money and are more difficult to locate when searching for particular or specialised areas of research (ordering books vs wikipedia).


He's asking which is more significant historically. The printing press is the most important invention in history. While the internet is far more accessible and contains so much more information, how much of it is actually used as a means of communicating important information?
A main difference in my mind is that information on the internet can be put up there by anyone, along with their bias, giving a larger amount of errors with information and a huge contrast in views, where-as the printing press didn't offer this freedom and alot of the texts produced were done by people whose job was to study that information.
Many many many advances in technology spawned from the printing press. The internet, well, it's too soon to tell, but so far it's been next to nothing. Technology progressed, and will continue to progress, largely without the help of the internet.
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He's asking which is more significant historically.

Yeah, just like I said to you.

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The printing press is the most important invention in history.

Perhaps in your opinon. Sure, it's up there, but a few others such as the wheel could perhaps rival it.
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While the internet is far more accessible and contains so much more information, how much of it is actually used as a means of communicating important information?

There is that exact same problem with books too. Not everything you read is completely unbiased. Say for example the Bible (which was a large beneficary of the printing press) expressed views about the creation of the universe, earth and man, which are highly biased towards a religious view.
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A main difference in my mind is that information on the internet can be put up there by anyone, along with their bias, giving a larger amount of errors with information and a huge contrast in views, where-as the printing press didn't offer this freedom and alot of the texts produced were done by people whose job was to study that information.

Given, books are MUCH more reliable than the internet, but considering that the internet is fastly becoming the primary basis for information gathering, due to its accessibility, I believe that historically, the internet (in time to come) will have a more profound effect on the world than the printing press.
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Many many many advances in technology spawned from the printing press. The internet, well, it's too soon to tell, but so far it's been next to nothing. Technology progressed, and will continue to progress, largely without the help of the internet.

You have very seriously underestimated the value of both the internet and technology. I don't understand why you believe this. Books are going to be outdated by the internet one day.
#13
I would say that the printing press is the most important invention ever. Why? becuase it made it possible for people to learn to read themself. Those who have had hisotroy lessions about the middle ages, should know that before Martin Luther rewrote the bible (too german), and began to publish it by using the printing press, which had just been invented, most commoners could neither read or write. The bible was written in latin, and only the bishops and priest were therefore able to read it. This gave them power over the people, since the could choose themself what they were going to tell the commoners when they went to church. And seeing as Christianity was so important for the entire european population, they were in a way, slaves to the church. The printing press changed all of this, since now even the lowliest peasant was able to read the bible.

so, to make to sum up all of this up, since probaly noone's going to read all of this: the printing press is the most significant invention, becuase it made to possible for each person to learn to read for themself, and get information straight from the source (the bible, in this case), and not get the twisted, changed version from another person.
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I would say that the printing press is the most important invention ever. Why? becuase it made it possible for people to learn to read themself. Those who have had hisotroy lessions about the middle ages, should know that before Martin Luther rewrote the bible (too german), and began to publish it by using the printing press, which had just been invented, most commoners could neither read or write. The bible was written in latin, and only the bishops and priest were therefore able to read it. This gave them power over the people, since the could choose themself what they were going to tell the commoners when they went to church. And seeing as Christianity was so important for the entire european population, they were in a way, slaves to the church. The printing press changed all of this, since now even the lowliest peasant was able to read the bible.

so, to make to sum up all of this up, since probaly noone's going to read all of this: the printing press is the most significant invention, becuase it made to possible for each person to learn to read for themself, and get information straight from the source (the bible, in this case), and not get the twisted, changed version from another person.

Yeah... the Bible is completely unbiased.

What's that, Noah took two of every animal on a boat and that's where modern day animals come from?
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Yeah... the Bible is completely unbiased.

What's that, Noah took two of every animal on a boat and that's where modern day animals come from?



okay, I forgot to say that I'm against chirstianity in every single way, but that I ment it that during the middle ages (espically the first part of it), the bible was the one truth: they believed that the world was flat, that noah did take two of each animal on a boat, and they believed in a heaven and hell.

Luclkly, it's not the same in today's society. But you have to understand that the priniting press made it possible for the common man to read that which was (at the time) the truth.
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#16
I appreciate the value of the printing press in its contemporary sense. Now you have to compare that to the value of the internet today, which you haven't done yet. Of course it's all about opinion, but I've assessed both of them and given a judgement based on that assessment.
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Perhaps in your opinon. Sure, it's up there, but a few others such as the wheel could perhaps rival it.


Yeah, some things like the wheel do rival it. But, without the printing press, those other inventions probably wouldn't have been as important as they are.

There is that exact same problem with books too. Not everything you read is completely unbiased. Say for example the Bible (which was a large beneficary of the printing press) expressed views about the creation of the universe, earth and man, which are highly biased towards a religious view.


Please, don't bring something like religion into this. First of all, you need to understand what the bible is actually about instead of taking it literally, and second, Christianity was doing fine without the printing press. The only thing the printing press did for the bible was make it accessible for more christians.

Given, books are MUCH more reliable than the internet, but considering that the internet is fastly becoming the primary basis for information gathering, due to its accessibility, I believe that historically, the internet (in time to come) will have a more profound effect on the world than the printing press.


A book is more consistent in delivering information than the internet. Books are very accessible as well - libraries, book stores, newsagents. The internet is more accessible, but what use is it if the quality is no where near as good?

You have very seriously underestimated the value of both the internet and technology. I don't understand why you believe this. Books are going to be outdated by the internet one day.


And you have seriously underestimated the printing press
Technology, yes, that's advanced very far. The question is how much has the internet influenced this? What has the internet given the world to influence it?
Anyway, no more posts from me. I could present as much information possible, but I want to watch tv and browse lightly.
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idk printing press was biased and what not, but what has ever SERIOUSLY gotten done over the internet?
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#19
In a way they are the same thing. Both are mediums that brought information to the masses that otherwise would have been in the dark. I belive that the internet when compared side by side, and ignoring the clear effect the printing press had on the internet, the internet is more significant. The way the world works was changed more by the internet than the printing press.
#20
Printing press. Without that, can you imagine what the internet would be like? Or even if there was an internet?
#21
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Printing press. Without that, can you imagine what the internet would be like? Or even if there was an internet?

I dont think the question requires you to compare the two in regards to the effect they have on eachother. That is not the point. 1000 years from now do you think the printing press would have more of a direct influence on history than the internet? I do not think it will.
#22
The printing press help establish and better the way scientists, geologist, etc work. They could finally have their ideas posted all around the world and making big discoveries better known. The internet was only a social advancement.
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The printing press help establish and better the way scientists, geologist, etc work. They could finally have their ideas posted all around the world and making big discoveries better known. The internet was only a social advancement.

Hardly... it has revolutionized business and communication. The world is completely diferent because of it.
#24
Printing press. If it did not exist most of us would not be able to read what we find on the internet.
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i think it is better on press. if you rely only to the internet, it doesn't mean everybody will surely read it..
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Hardly... it has revolutionized business and communication. The world is completely diferent because of it.

It has revolutionised all sorts, but I'm still putting social influence to the core.
#27
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Printing press. If it did not exist most of us would not be able to read what we find on the internet.

That is a weak argument though. The amount of knowledge available because of the internet overshadows the effect the printing press had. Just because the printing press made it possible for more literacy does not mean it is more significant, that is poor logic.
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That is a weak argument though. The amount of knowledge available because of the internet overshadows the effect the printing press had. Just because the printing press made it possible for more literacy does not mean it is more significant, that is poor logic.

The amount of knowledge has not changed. Just the way it is accessed. No printing press and the only people accessing it would be monks and kings.
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#29
by printing press, people will surely able to read, or at least give a glance at the articles before they read it. if internet, how much do you expect people to view and read it?
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The amount of knowledge has not changed. Just the way it is accessed. No printing press and the only people accessing it would be monks and kings.

You are wong. Knowledge has increased exponentialy sir. Knowledge is constantly being increased.


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#32
the printing press essentially resulted in the standardised written form of language, without which the Internet would be near useless.

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#33
Er... the printing press...without a doubt.

I mean, really, without a doubt. there's absolutely no comparison.

I mean...really...

I think you're underestimating just how much BOOKS advanced human learning.

Internet is like a lovely scientific add-on to make things easier. When it was invented it was invented to make communication CERN (SERN? :S ) easier, I think.
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#35
Printing press. It virtually singlehandedly caused the Renaissance - the spread of ideas was now completely free (to those who could afford books, that is). It made extreme leaps in human progress possible.
#36
Printing press, purely because of the huge leaps forward is enabled, and I think it was more revolutionary for its time in comparison to the internet.

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I think you're underestimating just how much BOOKS advanced human learning.

Internet is like a lovely scientific add-on to make things easier. When it was invented it was invented to make communication CERN (SERN? :S ) easier, I think.


Precisely, the printing press enabled people to gain access to literature and in term learn to read, which is a necessity, really. The internet is effectively a giant convenience, good, obviously, but we fared pretty well until it came around; it adds to our life, it doesn't improve it.
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#37
I think they're both equally important, they both advanced civilization.
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priting press=revoultionary point in human history
internet=a big database of pr0n
make your decision
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#39
The printing press. It turned Europe upside down, the internet just lets assholes be assholes to more people, and faster.
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Probably the printing press.
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