#1
I've read in numerous places that the racism of groups such as the KKK is categorized as "right-wing" philosophy. I know a lot of people who lean to the right (politically, not physically ) and they have some of strongest views against racism and things of that nature.

So my question is, why is racism grouped as a "right-wing" ideology?
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nazis/facists are right wing extremists like their communist/liberal counterparts so maybe that's why
#3
depends, right-wing is a very broad categorization, totalitarianism exists at both extremes (exception: anarchists), but generally right-wing means heavily nationalistic (hence the racism)
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When they say right, they mean extreme right. And racism wasn't the only defining trait of the KKK, they had their own ideas of how government should be run, which may have been similar (on the extreme side) to right-wing ideals. Which KKK you're talking may be important as well, in the beginning they were anti-black, but by the 1920's they were against anyone who wasn't a WASP.
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Hitler actually considered himself and all the nazis very left wing.

But, I'm a Right wing conservative. Not a redenck racist, but I have strong ideals.
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It has to do with the right-wing' important emphasis on conservative ideas and vaules and the efforts to preserve them, which normally excludes and persecutes races and cultures outside of their own.
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Most of my super (Fag hating)(obama hating)(red necked) right winged friends are right winged
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Yeah I'm a conservative midwesterner. Just because the KKK thinks they are "right wing" doesn't mean they represent the right wing, just like Joseph Stalin doesn't represent the left wing. Both are extremists, not representations.

I think that's what you were askin...
#11
you also have to remember, right-wing means conservative

however you can be socially conservative or economically conservative

two very different things, and while people who tend to be one, tend to be the other,
again, they are not the same thing.

EDIT: honestly, i would argue that most people are racist to some degree.

Only people who can look at a skinny black man and a large white man, and only notice that they are different sizes, are truly un biased.
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It has to do with the right-wing' important emphasis on conservative ideas and vaules and the efforts to preserve them, which normally excludes and persecutes races and cultures outside of their own.


This.
#13
Because when it comes to politics, most people have no idea what they're talking about.

Bonesaw, Nazis are not right wing. They believe in tearing apart the American way of life and establishing a system of government nearly identical to Communism.
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Because when it comes to politics, most people have no idea what they're talking about.

Bonesaw, Nazis are not right wing. They believe in tearing apart the American way of life and establishing a system of government nearly identical to Communism.


Ooooh.... be careful there. Theoretical Communism(left wing/liberal) is the complete opposite of the Nazis(Totalitarianistic/ right wing/ conservative).

Now on the other hand, Russian Communism is a closer fit to the Nazis.
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Extreme right wing and extreme left wing usually end up as the same thing.
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nazis/facists are right wing extremists like their communist/liberal counterparts so maybe that's why

Communists and liberals are actually on the extreme of the LEFT side of the political spectrum. That is why fascism is explained as the complete opposite of communism. Whereas fascism/totalitarianism is a complete and total control of the country by the political leader, communism is an eventual breakdown of government where the population are the government.

And to answer the question, right wing ideology is usually portrayed as against change. Change for some people means accepting people different from themselves. Therefore, racism is most often associated with right wing, whereas left wing extremists are all for racial integration and gay rights and all that.

Definitely not generalizing right wingers, that's just why people associate racism with the right. By all means, extreme liberals could easily be racist. It's just stereotyping, which is bad.

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Ooooh.... be careful there. Theoretical Communism(left wing/liberal) is the complete opposite of the Nazis(Totalitarianistic/ right wing/ conservative).

Now on the other hand, Russian Communism is a closer fit to the Nazis.


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True Communism is impossible. It either leads do Totalitarianism, Anarchy, or Revolution.

Exactly what it would be. Except you wouldn't have people running rampant through Los Angeles stealing Tv's. Communism cannot work in this day and age when people are so far up their own asses that all they want to look out for is themselves. If you get a group of people together who don't mind sharing wealth and who don't want to actively control everything around them and everyone can live in peace and harmony, communism would be easily achievable. I also blame globalization and international media.
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True Communism is impossible. It either leads do Totalitarianism, Anarchy, or Revolution.


You are truly the first person to ever say that. I congratulate you.

EDIT: No political idea is possible in the purest form. For example, capitalism invariably leads to corporatism.
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Because when it comes to politics, most people have no idea what they're talking about.

Bonesaw, Nazis are not right wing. They believe in tearing apart the American way of life and establishing a system of government nearly identical to Communism.



Nazi's are fascists correct? well fascists are reactionary as well right? well that is the extreme right side leanings
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Because when it comes to politics, most people have no idea what they're talking about.

Bonesaw, Nazis are not right wing. They believe in tearing apart the American way of life and establishing a system of government nearly identical to Communism.



Nazis are right wing genius... guess its you who doesn't know what they are talking about.
#22
It basically comes down to this. I'm only talking extremes here....

Extreme Rights like to create a barrier to protect themselves. Usually resulting in over-protection and outright bigotry.

Extreme Lefts on the otherhand beleive everyone is equal and everyone should all have the same things (i.e. slight communism). While this may sound good this leaves them very unprotected and unstable and thus they collapse easily.

I'm sorry but if I work all day and some dude who watches TV all day will get paid the same amount as me, I'd be pissed. (Left wing, communism)

But the same, I'd be pissed that just because I'm Italian that I wouldnt be allowed into a country. (right wing, racism)

The perfect blend is a leader or country that is strict on defense and order in the country (right wing) but able to adapt and change as time rolls on (left wing).
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It basically comes down to this. I'm only talking extremes here....

Extreme Rights like to create a barrier to protect themselves. Usually resulting in over-protection and outright bigotry.

Extreme Lefts on the otherhand beleive everyone is equal and everyone should all have the same things (i.e. slight communism). While this may sound good this leaves them very unprotected and unstable and thus they collapse easily.

I'm sorry but if I work all day and some dude who watches TV all day will get paid the same amount as me, I'd be pissed. (Left wing, communism)

But the same, I'd be pissed that just because I'm Italian that I wouldnt be allowed into a country. (right wing, racism)

The perfect blend is a leader or country that is strict on defense and order in the country (right wing) but able to adapt and change as time rolls on (left wing).


Communism believe in self-sufficient economy.

During the Soviet Russia era, the only international trades occured between countries member of the federation or under a communist governement (Cuba - Soviet Russia - Vietnam - North Korea....)
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Capitalism has it's faults and isn't perfect, but what dosen't really? Atleast it gives you a chance to work and make something of yourself and have life goals instead of just being doled handouts...


Socialism/communism = epic fail
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Captilism has it's faults and isn't perfect, but what dosen't really? Atleast it gives you a chance to work and make something of yourself and have life goals instead of just being doled handouts...


Socialism/communism = epic fail


Oversimplification=even more epic fail.

And socialism=/=communism.
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Socialism/communism = epic fail


Even if your last analogy is not exactly correct, I do believe in a moderate right governement than a too liberal or too conservative.

I mean, I believe in universal healthcare, gun control and I am anti-religion, but I believe in a more aggressive economy, with lots of investments, lots of imports/exports, good foreign exchanges, but I'm anti-war.
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Generally speaking, left-wingers say right wing to refer to people with a stick up their ass while right-wingers say left wing to refer to hippie conspiracy theorists.
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I'm sorry but if I work all day and some dude who watches TV all day will get paid the same amount as me, I'd be pissed. (Left wing, communism)

That is why communism won't work in today's world. It bugs me, because if you just accept that what you're doing is for the greater good, there will be no problem. So doctors work and help people in need when they need helping, and nine to fivers (if they would exist in a communist country) do what they do for the greater good. I don't see why living like that is such a big deal, and so hard for people to accept.
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EDIT: honestly, i would argue that most people are racist to some degree.

Only people who can look at a skinny black man and a large white man, and only notice that they are different sizes, are truly un biased.


I wouldn't say that. I mean, anyone who looks at someone will immediately notice what color their skin is because, well, their skin completely covers their body. It's just like noticing that someone is skinny or fat in your example. An unbiased person would notice both their weight and race, but not care. Seriously, we can't go on pretending that we're all the same because, whether we like it or not, different cultures look and even act differently. Even people in the same culture look and act differently. But that doesn't mean we're racist if we notice.
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Oversimplification=even more epic fail.

And socialism=/=communism.



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