#1
Today i started noticing (maybe*) something wrong with my rig:

My rig goes thus:


Fender Tele

Ernie ball jr VP > Dunlop Cry-baby > Boss SD1 > Boss PS-5 > Line6 FM4 > Artec big dots tuner > Akai original intelliphase > Ibanez Ad9 > Boss DD3 > Fulltone Choralflange

Hot Rod Deluxe

Pedals all powered by a 10 ouput power brick.

I think im being paranoid, but when i play i swear there is a millisecond delay/latency on what i play coming through my amp..

So i ask you, oh faithful GG&A, am i paranoid or is there a reason for this?
#2
well the fact that you have so many cables in your line, it's bound to happen
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#3
Aye, but there are tons of players with bigger pedalboards than me who seem to have no problem at all..
#4
Quote by Ghold125
well the fact that you have so many cables in your line, it's bound to happen


+1. what's the length of your cable from guitar to pedal and from pedal to amp?
too many cables or lengthy cables can cut the signal and could possibly result to a lag in sound produced.
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#5
what knida patch cables you using? just the 5 dollar ones from GC?

That could be your problem, upgrade to high end ones, Monster, Planet Waves, George L's

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#6
Quote by gtr_101
what knida patch cables you using? just the 5 dollar ones from GC?

That could be your problem, upgrade to high end ones, Monster, Planet Waves, George L's


They aren't exactly the best cables in the world, but they are certainly no George L cables, might that be the actual problem?
#7
i wouldn't mind Monster cables. imo, they're overpriced and not good. Planet Waves, George L and Dimarzio make good cables.
Ibanez RG321MH (Air Classic/Tone Zone)
Fernandes Telecaster (Twang King/stock bridge pickup)
Blackstar HT-20 (Scumback 55 speaker/ Tung Sol tubes)
TC Electronic Nova Repeater
Lava Cables Clear Connect, Soar and Mini ELC
#8
use less bloody fx pedals. invest in a decent multi fx pedal if you insist on using that many fx, like a boss multi fx for about £150. that many pedals and cables is obviously going to cause a delay to your sound, and i bet you look like you're tap dancing every time you play.
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#9
Quote by M.B.MetalTabber
use less bloody fx pedals. invest in a decent multi fx pedal if you insist on using that many fx, like a boss multi fx for about £150. that many pedals and cables is obviously going to cause a delay to your sound, and i bet you look like you're tap dancing every time you play.


gtfo my thread multi-fx fanboy
#10
Quote by ClementWave
They aren't exactly the best cables in the world, but they are certainly no George L cables, might that be the actual problem?


cables contribute a lot to your tone. i suggest getting higher quality cables and shorter cables for guitar to pedal and pedal to amp.
Ibanez RG321MH (Air Classic/Tone Zone)
Fernandes Telecaster (Twang King/stock bridge pickup)
Blackstar HT-20 (Scumback 55 speaker/ Tung Sol tubes)
TC Electronic Nova Repeater
Lava Cables Clear Connect, Soar and Mini ELC
#12
Pull each effect out one at a time and see if the problem is isolated to a single unit. The cable's shouldn't be the problem, crappy cables only sound crappy, they don't create latency.

But speaking of cables, I recently moved over to using Lava Cable ELC and mini ELC. They're quite a step up from the George L's, and are reasonably priced. Their DIY pedalboard kit is the best I've seen.
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#13
Quote by ClementWave
gtfo my thread multi-fx fanboy

I'm offended, because I don't actually like fx. I just stated the obvious, lots of cables and pedals cause delay in the signal.
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#14
So, when you call to USA from Europe for example, you get something like half a second of latency...


...you think having some 20 meters of cable will give you enough latency so that you can notice it?
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So, when you call to USA from Europe for example, you get something like half a second of latency...


...you think having some 20 meters of cable will give you enough latency so that you can notice it?


Yes, because i can.
#16
no, i see your point. but maybe one of the fx pedals is causing the problem, as someone else said.
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#17
Quote by M.B.MetalTabber
no, i see your point. but maybe one of the fx pedals is causing the problem, as someone else said.

Exactly my point.
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#18
I tried what you said, it seems my PS-5 by Boss is causing the latency issues, which is a bummer because i use it a lot, might it be a faulty unit?
#19
The guitar signal is nothing but a low current electrical signal. All electrical signals are essentially electron movement. This happens immediately with no latency. If you turn on a light switch for an incandescent bulb in your house, it doesn't matter if you have 3 inches or 300 miles of wire between them, there is still no latency because all the electrons start moving at the same time (it won't be as bright, but resistance is another issue altogether).

To get latency in the system, you have to convert the signal. In the case of the US to Europe phone example, that happens because originally the wired signals were converted to radio waves which do take time to reach a receiver (and therefore create latency), now they're converted to a digital signal which also creates latency. Which brings us to your guitar rig. Every time your signal is converted from analog to digital or back again you get latency. This can be hard to isolate because digital pedals without true bypass will still create latency even when turned off. The cables may be a problem, but they aren't the problem at hand.
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#20
Quote by Kendall
The guitar signal is nothing but a low current electrical signal. All electrical signals are essentially electron movement. This happens immediately with no latency. If you turn on a light switch for an incandescent bulb in your house, it doesn't matter if you have 3 inches or 300 miles of wire between them, there is still no latency because all the electrons start moving at the same time (it won't be as bright, but resistance is another issue altogether).

To get latency in the system, you have to convert the signal. In the case of the US to Europe phone example, that happens because originally the wired signals were converted to radio waves which do take time to reach a receiver (and therefore create latency), now they're converted to a digital signal which also creates latency. Which brings us to your guitar rig. Every time your signal is converted from analog to digital or back again you get latency. This can be hard to isolate because digital pedals without true bypass will still create latency even when turned off. The cables may be a problem, but they aren't the problem at hand.

Well, I was wrong, but still my point stands. However, I have to nitpick a little (...sorry) - there will be some latency, not that you can notice it, but still.

I'm not sure of the exact speed, asked my friend but he wasn't sure either - I know signal travels at the speed of light in optical cables (I think that's what they run under the sea between continents nowadays), but what about regular cables? What's the speed roughly?

Anyway, thanks for clearing me up


...oh, and OP: Yes, I believe it's faulty if you can notice a latency - probably something wrong with the buffer, I think you should be able to get it changed under warranty (if it's still under warranty, that is).
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#21
Quote by Kendall
The guitar signal is nothing but a low current electrical signal. All electrical signals are essentially electron movement. This happens immediately with no latency. If you turn on a light switch for an incandescent bulb in your house, it doesn't matter if you have 3 inches or 300 miles of wire between them, there is still no latency because all the electrons start moving at the same time (it won't be as bright, but resistance is another issue altogether).

To get latency in the system, you have to convert the signal. In the case of the US to Europe phone example, that happens because originally the wired signals were converted to radio waves which do take time to reach a receiver (and therefore create latency), now they're converted to a digital signal which also creates latency. Which brings us to your guitar rig. Every time your signal is converted from analog to digital or back again you get latency. This can be hard to isolate because digital pedals without true bypass will still create latency even when turned off. The cables may be a problem, but they aren't the problem at hand.


Thanks for all that info, saved it in a document for later reference

And i have emailed boss customer services querying it, so we'll see what happens i guess!