#1
Okay. I'm sure some of you educated folks out there who have answered my previous questions are probably like, "Wow, this kid is slow on the whole theory thing," and I feel quite dumb for asking so many questions but I figure that I better ask anyways, or else it may lead to me being a hobo... somehow...?

Okay. Anyway, I've read from several sources that with the parent scale of C Maj, the mode interval structure goes like this;

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 ( Ionian )
1 2 b3 4 5 6 b7 ( Dorian )
1 b2 b3 4 5 b6 b7 ( Phyrgian )

Now right about there I just don't get it. Why are 2 and 3 intervals considered flat? and the same for 6 and 7? I'd like to know so that I can assess the usage of those modes all over the fretboard.
#2
In Phrygian mode, the 2nd, 3rd, 6th, and 7th notes are all given flats, giving you all the natural notes between E and E (hence why it's listed 3rd, corrosponding to E in the C major scale). Each of the modes are based off giving you all natural notes between each note (and an octave up) of the C major scale.

Phrygian mode: E (1) F (b2) G (b3) A (4) B (5) C (b6) D (b7) E

That help?

(Sorry if I'm a little ambiguous with my explanation)
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#3
It just means you drop the 2nd and 3rd half a step or one fret.

I'm really sleepy so if I'm wrong... well too bad.
#4
I don't quite understand what you're saying.
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#5
Scale spellings always refer back to the major scale.

Take C major:
C D E F G A B C
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8

Now take C Phrygian:
C Db Eb F G Ab Bb C
1 b2 b3 4 5 b6 b7 8

You essentially move the notes from the major scale down one semitone, or one fret on the guitar.

Hope this helped, if not then tell me what you didn't understand and I'll try and explain better.
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#6
I learned the modes like this:
You've got the C major scale: C D E F G A B C. Now build a scale using only those notes, starting on each note. That gives you:
C D E F G A B C
D E F G A B C D
E F G A B C D E, and so on and so forth.
Now figure out how you got each of those from THEIR respective major scales. For D, you flattened the 7th (C#) to get C, and the 3rd (F#) to get F. So for D it must be 1 2 b3 4 5 6 b7.

The hardest part for me was memorizing the names! I just built all the modes for the 12 scales (tedious, but good practice). Though, being in band gave me a decent handle on scales from the start. Does that clear it up? (Probably not, I'm no good with teaching theory).
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#7
What theacousticpunk has said is a good way of getting used to modes. All they are is the scale started on different notes, thus giving different intervals.
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#8
It's flat compared to what the major scale starting on that note would be (as in C dorian is the same as C major with a flat 3rd and 7th degree).
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#9
Ahhh. like... E major would be...

E F# G# A B C# D# E

if I wanted it to have the same notes of a C major, or ( E phyrgian ) then it would be...

1 b2 b3 4 5 b6 b7

I got it I think. Is that right?

So like...

if E is the 3rd scale degree of C major, then the only way to get E phygiran is to use the notes of C.

To get E Lydian, you would use the notes from whatever scale has E as it's fourth, for mixolydian you would use the one with E as it's fifth, and so on. Right?
#10
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Ahhh. like... E major would be...

E F# G# A B C# D# E

if I wanted it to have the same notes of a C major, or ( E phyrgian ) then it would be...

1 b2 b3 4 5 b6 b7

I got it I think. Is that right?

So like...

if E is the 3rd scale degree of C major, then the only way to get E phygiran is to use the notes of C.

To get E Lydian, you would use the notes from whatever scale has E as it's fourth, for mixolydian you would use the one with E as it's fifth, and so on. Right?

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#11
Wow, I actually explained it well? I'm glad you got that at least! Good luck!
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#12
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Wow, I actually explained it well? I'm glad you got that at least! Good luck!


Yeah man. Thanks bro. I'll probably be asking a lot more questions while I try to get my thrown together sense of theory. =p

So you can answer those too. haha.
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