#1
I was having a discussion with a friend who does not play an instrument and we got onto a topic of what music is more about in terms of learning an instrument, so I pose this same question to you:
when it comes to learning an instrument, can a person who has no talent actually learn an instrument by sheer determination alone? or does the person have to be talented at music before hand?

Personally I'm banking on the side of determination because I have the hand eye co-ordination of a gnat and musically I'm not tone deaf but I definitely am no savant when it comes to music.
what do you all think?
#3
Talent helps but you can be determined enough to get okay at it.

However. I know someone who can pick up something new and instantly be amazing at it. Not limited to instruments.
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#4
id say determination would move u foward and with alot of determination u develop talent!! so i guess skill got nothing to do its how much hours u put in
#5
well unfortunataly for me i have no talent and am deaf in the left ear so for me it was iron hard determenation to get adept at the guitar but talent makes the work easier
#8
Determination. Although, some people seem to possess anti-talent, which makes it seemingly impossible for them to learn anything.
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#10
Well...


...talent.

If you don't have talent, then it'll take forever to get good at an instrument.

There are some people I know who have been playing for longer than I have, and I can totally PWN them at guitar.
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#11
Generally people who have a natural ear for music, i.e. naturally talented are going to be the better musicians. I's all good and well being determined to learn an instrument and become great at that instrument, but this won't necessarily make you a great musician.

But nutural talent is nothing without determination. So I'll go for determination!
#12
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Determination is more important in learning to play an instrument. Playing an instrument is a set of motor skills.

Learning to be a good musician takes talent.


Seconded. I had enough determination to learn the instrument well technically and theory wise, but my music would never be there without the talent.
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#13
i can get good at things really easily (don't know why but it just happens) when i was little i used to play the violin and when i got bored of it i self taught myself for half a year and got good pretty quick. my friend started a year before me and is now 2 grades behind me. i guess you have to practice what you are told to practice and nail technique because my friend has been on grade 4 for 1 year because he practices irrelevant things.
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Well...


...talent.

If you don't have talent, then it'll take forever to get good at an instrument.

There are some people I know who have been playing for longer than I have, and I can totally PWN them at guitar.


Maybe you just practise more. Some people barely practise their instruments.
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#16
It's easy to learn an instrument, it's difficult to become a musician.
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Maybe you just practise more. Some people barely practise their instruments.



Maybe, I don't think so, though.
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#18
Motivation beats class, I get that proven all the time.

But yeah, motivation/determination will only take you that far. To become truly great, you will need some real talent.
#19
Passion > Talent

If you have no passion in what your'e playing and can't feel the music, it's going to take a lot longer (IMO).

Having the determination is great, but deep down you have to just know you'll be insanely good one day. It's hard to explain but personally i don't think anybody is "naturally" good at something, certain people pick things up easier maybe because theyr'e more confident in themselves.

So many people say about how you must be born with a gift and that they could never pick up a guitar as well as you or your friends have. But thats the strange thing about it, they never had high ambitions when they started learning and always put it down to them starting at an older age or whatever.

So just belive you'll get as good as you want to be (with passion and a lot of hard work ) and anyone can make it

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Determination is 99% of being good/successful.


Maybe in the business portion of it, but playing the instrument is 40% talent, 40% passion, and 20% determination.
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#23
There is no such thing as talent.

only doing something over and over and over until you can do it without thinking, so it looks like it comes very natural to you.

and remember lots of things use similar muscle groups that playing guitar does, so people who are good at certain things may look like they're a 'natural' at playing guitar, but they've just developed those muscle groups a bit more then most people. typing comes into mind
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There is no such thing as talent.

only doing something over and over and over until you can do it without thinking, so it looks like it comes very natural to you.

and remember lots of things use similar muscle groups that playing guitar does, so people who are good at certain things may look like they're a 'natural' at playing guitar, but they've just developed those muscle groups a bit more then most people. typing comes into mind


Being fast at typing doesn't mean you know what to type.
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Being fast at typing doesn't mean you know what to type.

but its a good start

and eventually, even the stupidest of people will learn, that if you first press the 'B' button, then the 'O' button then the 'O' button again, and then the 'B' button again, and then an 'S' then the word 'boobs' will come up on the screen.

everything is about experience, granted some people are able to take in those experiences faster then others

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#26
I think Dr. Phil pretty much said it all in the first reply, but yeah, determination is more important up to a certain point, but you won't become Jimi Hendrix from determination
one of my friends has been playing a year longer than I have and plays more than I do, but I'm still a little better than him, so talent does play a part and I really feel like a cocky assohole for saying that, but it's true
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#27
Someone who is determined can learn to play an instrument, but some one who is talented will be able to take things to another level and be creative with it.
#28
I don't think that it takes talent to develop technique on an instrument, but to be a good musician you need to have a good ear for music, and some people are just born musically inclined in that respect.