#1
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/07/30/frank.marijuana/index.html?iref=newssearch

Don't think this has been posted yet. It's an interesting article. I know this is going to turn into a debate about legalization, but please just read the article.

It's exciting (for me anyway) to see something happening in our government about this issue. I don't believe the bill will be passed (100 grams are you ****ting me?), but it's a step in the right direction and will perhaps encourage further debate and analysis on the subject.
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#2
Legalizing Marijuana will NEVER happen in the US. The people who matter in political voting would NEVER vote for a candidate whos platform includes legalizing maurijuana.
#3
It won't pass, but it should.
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it should pass, so stoners have nothing to talk about ever again
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Cabinet growers are the bathtub gin brewers of the 2000's

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#7
Legalizing marihuana wont happen. The drug cant be monitored by the government ;therefore, they will not allow it. It's hard to keep track of a drug that can grow on the backyard of everyone's house.
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it should pass, so stoners have nothing to talk about ever again


You obviously haven't been around intelligent stoners.
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#10
It probably wont pass but something similar will most likely pass within the decade. IMO of course.
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Off topic, but what is the film like Super Size Me where the guy did weed instead, i really wanna see it
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Legalizing marihuana wont happen. The drug cant be monitored by the government ;therefore, they will not allow it. It's hard to keep track of a drug that can grow on the backyard of everyone's house.

I always chuckle at people thinking that it won't be legalized due to the fact that people can grow it. What percentage of people make their own alcohol or grow their own tobacco? A small minority of users. It would work the same way if cannabis was legalized.

It won't pass because the (US) government would then be admitting they've been morons for punishing people for such a trivial thing.
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Off topic, but what is the film like Super Size Me where the guy did weed instead, i really wanna see it


Super High Me?

I just heard about that movie yesterday...interesting it comes up again...I guess I should On Demand it.
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Super High Me?

I just heard about that movie yesterday...interesting it comes up again...I guess I should On Demand it.



It was pretty good, I was expecting more but the guy is hilarious
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#16
Ha wouldn't that be the day. I bet the government smokes weed all the time with all the stress they have to deal with. They are just stingy as hell to share it with the rest of the U.S
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Off topic, but what is the film like Super Size Me where the guy did weed instead, i really wanna see it


Super High Me
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#18
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I always chuckle at people thinking that it won't be legalized due to the fact that people can grow it. What percentage of people make their own alcohol or grow their own tobacco? A small minority of users. It would work the same way if cannabis was legalized.



This. A good hydroponic setup for any weed worth smoking costs thousands. A typical stoner would rather go to the gas station and pick up a reasonably taxed eighth.


And quit with the "Marijuana will never be legal, never" crap. Will it be legal this year? Probably not. How can you speak for the social views of decades ahead of us? Shit changes.
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Legalizing Marijuana will NEVER happen in the US. The people who matter in political voting would NEVER vote for a candidate whos platform includes legalizing maurijuana.



Wasn't there a U.S president that grew marijuana?
#20
It should happen... I never smoked, but I think this should pass. It won't but if it does, I don't see anything bad coming from it.
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Wasn't there a U.S president that grew marijuana?


Washington probably did. He had hemp farms and wrote directions to seperate the males and females, something only done for THC potency.
#22
ridiculous

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#23
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This. A good hydroponic setup for any weed worth smoking costs thousands. Shit changes.

HuH? $15 bucks at wal - mart. lol
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ridiculous


Ridiculously good or bad?

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Really? Everybody I've talked has said a nice grow setup costs a ton. I know anyone can grow outdoor schwag, but what are you using for those pics in your profile? If you do it on that budget, I'm impressed.
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#26
it will never be legalized but it may be decriminalized eventually... pretty much meaning that cops will be told to look the other way when they find pot in civilian possession.
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#27
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This. A good hydroponic setup for any weed worth smoking costs thousands. A typical stoner would rather go to the gas station and pick up a reasonably taxed eighth.


And quit with the "Marijuana will never be legal, never" crap. Will it be legal this year? Probably not. How can you speak for the social views of decades ahead of us? Shit changes.


I wouldn't say thousands...

But yes, growers would be but a small niche of marijuana users. It's like people who make their wine. You could be a wine nut and make your own, so that you have something to be proud of. Or you could be a casual wine drinker and stop by Trader Joe's and pick up some 2-buck Chuck.
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#28
As a chronic (pun intended) weed smoker, even I admit that I don't want weed being legalized. I'd rather spend 20 for a gram than 50 for a gram. All that I ask is that it be decriminalized, if alcohol is a legal substance and kills many many more people than weed, weed should be decriminalized and no one can legitimately argue that.
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#29
Seems to be less than I've been told.

"You can spend more or less than that, but $500.00 is the average initial setup price for a personal garden (5 to 10 plants)."

http://howtogrowmarijuana.com/hydroponic-marijuana-guide.html


Still, I don't see a large portion of people going out to drop that money when they just want a dime.

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you can buy an ounce of ok stuff for 180 or so


Try 50

I still believe that properly mass grown and regulated marijuana could be marked at a competitive price to knock out dealers while still bringing in tons of tax revenue.
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#30
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I'd rather spend 20 for a gram than 50 for a gram.


20 BUCKS A GRAM!!!!!!!!!!! OUTRAGEOUS

Move up here to Canada... you can buy an ounce of ok stuff for 180 or so

a gram will never sell for more than 10

and you can get deals like 2 for 15, 3.5 for 25, half-ounce for 90 bucks, etc etc
#31
They're pushing for it to be legalized in Oregon, and since the majority of the population is a smoker or sympathetic - the only thing that matters in Oregon is the Portland Metro Area - it has a fighting chance. I know I'll vote for it to be legalized.
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#32
Lovely thought, but I doubt it'd pass.

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#33
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20 BUCKS A GRAM!!!!!!!!!!! OUTRAGEOUS

Move up here to Canada... you can buy an ounce of ok stuff for 180 or so

a gram will never sell for more than 10

and you can get deals like 2 for 15, 3.5 for 25, half-ounce for 90 bucks, etc etc


I got a friend in Florida, that spent over $3,000 setting up his extra room in his apartment to grow enough dro to have him set for many years to come with just one batch.
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#34
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I always chuckle at people thinking that it won't be legalized due to the fact that people can grow it. What percentage of people make their own alcohol or grow their own tobacco? A small minority of users. It would work the same way if cannabis was legalized.

It won't pass because the (US) government would then be admitting they've been morons for punishing people for such a trivial thing.

....

what is easiest, gowing tobacco and brewing alcohol or growing marijuana which basically can grow like weed.


Marijuana especially poor strains like Ruderalis can grow in any tempered environment.

Tobacco is hard to grow for the effort/gain.

Alcohol requires alot of stuff and can kill you if you can't sterilise it correctly and diffuse it in correct amounts.

Cannabis depending on the weather just requires sunlight and growing place, vitamins(not necesarely needed).
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HuH? $15 bucks at wal - mart. lol

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Really? Everybody I've talked has said a nice grow setup costs a ton. I know anyone can grow outdoor schwag, but what are you using for those pics in your profile? If you do it on that budget, I'm impressed.



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#36
Hell yeah! Have u seen the part of G. Bay where Bush smokes weed?

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#37
Current laws targeting marijuana users place undue burdens on law enforcement resources, punish ill Americans whose doctors have prescribed the substance and unfairly affect African-Americans, said Frank, flanked by legislators and representatives from advocacy groups.

Clay said he did not condone drug use but opposes using tax dollars to pursue what he feels is an arcane holdover from "a phony war on drugs that is filling up our prisons, especially with people of color."

umm...?
#38
i think it should be decriminalized or legalized ,just as long as i dont get hassled for it.
BUT i dont think i t will for a long time because all the stuck up religion nuts who use religion to get there way.
god made weed,man made beer.
besides,weed is way way way safer than beer.
its a lot less harmful than cigarettes. its just the government cant tax weed so they wont legalize it.
i did hear than california will try and legalize it in november,its on the ballot of topic.
#39
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Cabinet growers are the bathtub gin brewers of the 2000's

And we will be the force that brings cannabis prohibition down

I agree. Everytime I've seen a poll on a legitamate news site asking people whether they think weed should be legalized, the outcome is always "yes" by a landslide, yet our gorvernemt doesn't reflect that. that is messed up in my opinion.
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