If an artist had died, should you be allowed to download his/her music for free?

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#1
I'll use an example: Syd Barrett has died now. He had a solo career and did work with Pink Floyd.

Do you think you should legally be allowed to download his compositions/recordings for free?
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Well yeah. But it ain't gonna happen.
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#7
Downloading music is no different from downloading porn.

A stance against downloading music is a stance against downloading porn.
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#9
who cares, download it for free anyways, lol
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#10
^ no but you couldn't find his books in some form online and print them out?
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#11
If you die is it OK for somebody to steal everything you own?

I wouldn't like that, I'd rather have my family and friends decide what is going to happen to it.
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#13
No, their death wouldnt change the legality of it. Besides unless the artist recorded, engineered, wrote, and preformed everything on the album then there would be more people than just the artist entitled to royalties.
#14
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If you die is it OK for somebody to steal everything you own?

I wouldn't like that, I'd rather have my family and friends decide what is going to happen to it.


Well A song can be produced millions of times from a master track, you cant really lose a copy of a song, since it can be mass produced.
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#16
dude if your dead it doesn't matter to you because you are ****ing dead you can't think talk walk well maybe you can if you go to mormon heaven. just get high everyday and download music by dead artists because it's probably old so it's the best to get high too, i'm talking mostly of the big band artists who are dead but never do acid to it. oh and also download it because they are dead and not some ****ing alive artist like the foo fighters (who formerly had a dead musician, in the old band), but don't download the foo fighters unless you do adrenaline, trust me. i'm an expert in most areas and these few are definitely where i have jurisdiction so back off it's my territory ****.
#17
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If you concede that their music is their property, then ownership of their music can be transfered to another person, just like any other piece of property.

dude if your dead it doesn't matter to you because you are ****ing dead you can't think talk walk well maybe you can if you go to mormon heaven. just get high everyday and download music by dead artists because it's probably old so it's the best to get high too, i'm talking mostly of the big band artists who are dead but never do acid to it. oh and also download it because they are dead and not some ****ing alive artist like the foo fighters (who formerly had a dead musician, in the old band), but don't download the foo fighters unless you do adrenaline, trust me. i'm an expert in most areas and these few are definitely where i have jurisdiction so back off it's my territory ****.


Jesus ****ing Christ, do you even consider before posting that someone might actually try (and fail) to read what you've written?
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#18
Yes.
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#19
No. They money raised by the sells still goes to their family.
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#20
Quote by The Madcap
Why should I care? I'm dead.

Respect?

I mean, I know I'm blowing it out of proportion, but for the same reason corpses aren't raped, mutilated, and burned when somebody dies.
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#21
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No. They money raised by the sells still goes to their family.


What does their family need the money for? They have jobs, don't they?
#22
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What does their family need the money for? They have jobs, don't they?


You miss the point entirely. Can I just ransack a dead man's house on the basis that "oh, well...his family doesn't need to inherit it, they have houses anyway"?
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#23
i think if an artist dies..... the DRM should die with them..... otherwise..... anythings fair game, if u want to get it illegally..... chances are u can find it

im personally a fan of just buying it...... cuz its not **** quality or being watched by the feds or nothing

im not paranoid..... im just not that ****ing cheap
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#24
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You miss the point entirely. Can I just ransack a dead man's house on the basis that "oh, well...his family doesn't need to inherit it, they have houses anyway"?


My grandparents died. My father and I have had to take care of their double lot for god knows how many years. We've been attempting to seel it for all this time, but peopel don't want to buy a double lot. So we keep putting more and more of our family's money into this house to keep everything running. We don't need it, we'll never need it. It's more of a burden than a blessing.
#25
No. Other members of the band are still living, why should they get excluded because one other member is gone? When the band members go, the rights are passed on to family members, after the family members go it's passed on to a record company, the record company goes the rights are bought by another company in a sell-off, etc.
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My grandparents died. My father and I have had to take care of their double lot for god knows how many years. We've been attempting to seel it for all this time, but peopel don't want to buy a double lot. So we keep putting more and more of our family's money into this house to keep everything running. We don't need it, we'll never need it. It's more of a burden than a blessing.


Again, you miss the point entirely. It's not your goddamn house, and it's not your goddamn music.
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#27
Quote by original=punk
What does their family need the money for? They have jobs, don't they?

Their music is a business. When someone dies, the business usually passes to the family.
Let's see it this way: If J.K Rowling suddenly died, should all of the Harry Potter books be given away free?
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#28
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Again, you miss the point entirely. It's not your goddamn house, and it's not your goddamn music.


Ownership is purely a legal thing. The law only figuratively exist, therefore ownership doesn't exist.

EDIT: Urik, music isn't a business, it is an art form. Everybody complains about bands "selling out" but that's just good business, now isn't it? Double standards usually don't work too well.
#29
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i think if an artist dies..... the DRM should die with them..... otherwise..... anythings fair game, if u want to get it illegally..... chances are u can find it

im personally a fan of just buying it...... cuz its not **** quality or being watched by the feds or nothing

im not paranoid..... im just not that ****ing cheap



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#30
Quote by The Madcap
I'll use an example: Syd Barrett has died now. He had a solo career and did work with Pink Floyd.

Do you think you should legally be allowed to download his compositions/recordings for free?

I'm sorry, and I might get in trouble for this...but you're an idiot. Just because he's dead does not mean he shouldn't get any pay for what he did. That money goes to people that were probably close to him ye know.
#31
No. The rights of the songs do not belong at 100% to the artist. The disc company has rights on the songs of their artists.
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#32
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No. The rights of the songs do not belong at 100% to the artist. The disc company has rights on the songs of their artists.


Depends on the artist.
#33
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Why should I care? I'm dead.

lol same here, after i die, im ****ing dead. No longer on this planet. go ahead and burn my house down after i die, i dont care, i'll be dead.
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#34
I always thought of it as, whether I'm 'listening' to the music, or 'understanding' the music(or something like that).

Say a Jim Morrison, he wanted to deliver a message and a meaning more then making money, I don't feel bad downloading his catalog of music when I'm intently listening and studying his music. That's how I feel about it, but when we talk about if their dead, I feel the above still applies.
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#35
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Ownership is purely a legal thing. The law only figuratively exist, therefore ownership doesn't exist.

EDIT: Urik, music isn't a business, it is an art form. Everybody complains about bands "selling out" but that's just good business, now isn't it? Double standards usually don't work too well.

So I might aswell go take the Mona Lisa? It's art, Da Vinci died a long time ago, so no one should care, right?

However, I'm not that against the idea. I'm still against downloading illegally when they are alive though.

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Even if they are alive, yeah.

So if you spent years working on music, paying attention to every little detail, sitting there hour after hour to fine tune it to exactly what you want. You then pay thousands of dollars for a recording studio, and then in there you spend just as long, making sure everything is precisely the sound you want. Also on top of that, you have spent thousands of dollars on equipment, e.g amplifiers, guitars, effects.

After all that, you would be perfectly fine that everyone just downloaded it for free?
#36
I think they'd prefer having you to listen to their music for free, rather then having noone listening to the music.

At least, that's how I see it.
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#37
Unless the artist has his/her own record label AND the public release of his or her music is specifically stipulated within that person's estate, then it is still illegal to download the music. Only the person who owns the rights to the music can stipulate whether or not the music is available for free download. Example A: Radiohead: In Rainbows. They put it on their site for a practically free download, and their record label made them take it down, eventually.

Another way to look at this: Picasso is dead. His work sells for millions.
#39
No, the artist is not the only person who is involved in making the music, hence why s/he doesn't get all of the profit. If they're dead, that doesn't mean everyone else involved should not get anymore money.
#40
I think it should be sort of done the way that some literature is done. There's something that goes that if the writer of the book dies, their liscence on the IP runs out in a set amout of years and their work becomes public domain.

I think that's how it works anyway.

The trick would be that with music, everybody in the group would have to die and then the counter would start.

Does this sound like a good idea to anyone else?
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