#1
I did a quick search and couldn't find anything. I've heard the lower end Martins aren't very good. At what price range do they start getting good?
#2
The 15 and 16 Series are good. Probably run about a grand. Anything below those isn't worth it in my opinion.
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#4
about $1200. give or take. they're not worth the money until they get solid wood all the way around (not just the top, like on the cheap ones). as for electronics, i'm partial to the ones with the little mic in the soundhole and the blend slider between the piezo and the mic. it really opens up the sound.
i love martins to death, but they're not for everyone. if you want a warm, deep tone, great. but if you want a bright tone that cuts through the mix a little better, you might want to look at a taylor. i'm not as big a fan, but i've never had the pleasure of playing a martin in a band setting. apparently they're more likely to get lost in the mix than taylors.
#5
i have a 00-15 and have had it for about a year and is my go to guitar. i payed about 900 after everything was said and done, i even got CFM IV himself to sign the paper label on the inside of it for me. If you are a dreadnought guy then i would go for the 16 series, a whole bunch more options.
#7
When you move up beyond the HPL guitars, they start getting good. That stands for High Pressure Laminate btw. It's this grey goopy glue substance that is poured into a mold and pressure cooked to form the correct shapes for certain parts of a guitar. It's not even wood, but purely man made. It then get's a laminated covering of very thin wood, a veneer sheet of whatever you choose, mahogeny, rosewood... It's junk and to be avoided like the plague. Sorry Martin, but you guys could have come up with something better than that couldn't you?
#8
I've heard the lower end Martins aren't very good. At what price range do they start getting good?


The 15 series. About $1600 here in Aus. Im guessing about $900 in th US.

What about Taylors?


I wouldnt get anything lower than the 300 series. Roughly the same price range (perhaps slightly higher).
#9
I was wondering the same question about taylors myself haha.

Yeah, the 3 series is when they begin to get solid bodies and tops.
#10
I think they all sound good but the lower priced ones aren't worth their price, if you understand what i mean
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#11
Paid 500$ for my Martin, one of the best guitars I've played IMO.
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#12
It's not a price thing... Martin has some crappy HPL guitars that cost more than their solid mahogany D15!

Anything in their "X" series should be avoided.
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#13
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When you move up beyond the HPL guitars, they start getting good. That stands for High Pressure Laminate btw. It's this grey goopy glue substance that is poured into a mold and pressure cooked to form the correct shapes for certain parts of a guitar. It's not even wood, but purely man made. It then get's a laminated covering of very thin wood, a veneer sheet of whatever you choose, mahogeny, rosewood... It's junk and to be avoided like the plague. Sorry Martin, but you guys could have come up with something better than that couldn't you?


It actually does contain real wood though, doesn't it? I heard it was made of sawdust as well. Anyway, it doesn't really matter. HPL is crappy.

The Martin 15 series is an outstanding series of guitars. If you like the dark mahogany tone then this is for you.
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#14
^ Not sure if it has sawdust in it or not. It still wouldn't make it a solid plank of nice wood. It's pretty sad when you think that the majority of good old wood has been used up and the big mfr's are forced to this. The supply isn't infinite after all.
#15
^ There is sawdust from, in large part, recycled scrap wood from the martin factory. It's mixed with some kind or glue or resin, I don't know but it's like a really dense particle board. You're right about the supply thing though -- and I think that sooner or later we'll all have to come to terms with playing gutars made with alternative materials. Hopefully, they'll develop a material that actually sounds good!
#16
rainsong makes some pretty nice sounding guitars out of graphite. and a few companies are making aluminum electric guitars. fact is, none of it will sound like wood. sawdust is probably as close as you'll get.
and i doubt the reason martin's making these hpl guitars is entirely due to a supply problem. more likely than not, they're just looking for a way to make their name early amongst people too new or too broke to buy the real deal. the bet is that if they started on martin, they'll buy a high end one when they can justify spending that kind of money.
#17
From what I've actually seen, it's pretty much all wood products mashed into a pulp, mixed with some resin. It comes out in gooey grey sheets that are baked (EZ-Bake Oven style) into boards, which are then cut and turned into guitars.

Don't buy them. They're wretched.
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#18
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From what I've actually seen, it's pretty much all wood products mashed into a pulp, mixed with some resin. It comes out in gooey grey sheets that are baked (EZ-Bake Oven style) into boards, which are then cut and turned into guitars.

Don't buy them. They're wretched.


I worked as a supervisor for almost 10 years in a laminating process. your answer is closest to being correct. As it comes out of the oven it passes through nip and chromium rollers getting pressed to a specific thickness. there are many other considerations that go into the process, but that's it in a nutshell.
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#19
If you don't want to pay the dough look at Blueridge. You can get them under a grand and they are darned good.
#21
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I second the Martin D15 as a good starting point.

I think i would personally get an 000-15 instead. but same series and price so it doesnt really matter.
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#22
I have a martin x series that smells good but thats it. they arent terrible there are just better guitars for less money
#23
^ The X series guitars don't necessarily sound bad even. It's just the material they're made out of is garbage. For the money they cost, its absurd that they don't even use real laminated wood.
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#24
Martin DM: Very good sounding even with lam back and sides $900
Martin D15: Very good all solid wood guitar, not as bright as spruce top $900
Martin D15 Custom: Excellent 15 series guitar with spruce top. All solid wood. $800 sale, this is the best value for a dread, if you want a dread.

Martin 000M: Very punchy and bright, but not tinny. Solid top with lam back/sides $900ish. Specific tone for specific people.

16 series are well spoken of. $1600 ish

18 series even more and on up.

I love my Martin 000-15S. Smaller 12-fret body with nice chunky bass. Plays like butter with action set up low for fingerstyle. I use Elixir nano custom lights (11-52) for long life and to bring out the sweetest tones for fingerstyle. That is the best compromise I have found. I have 7 acoustics, and I am not going to change strings every two weeks on each of them, or even one of them.
#25
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Martin DM: Very good sounding even with lam back and sides $900
Martin D15: Very good all solid wood guitar, not as bright as spruce top $900
Martin D15 Custom: Excellent 15 series guitar with spruce top. All solid wood. $800 sale, this is the best value for a dread, if you want a dread.

Martin 000M: Very punchy and bright, but not tinny. Solid top with lam back/sides $900ish. Specific tone for specific people.

16 series are well spoken of. $1600 ish

18 series even more and on up.

I love my Martin 000-15S. Smaller 12-fret body with nice chunky bass. Plays like butter with action set up low for fingerstyle. I use Elixir nano custom lights (11-52) for long life and to bring out the sweetest tones for fingerstyle. That is the best compromise I have found. I have 7 acoustics, and I am not going to change strings every two weeks on each of them, or even one of them.


Actually, the 16 series starts at about $1000ish. My D-16RGT was $1200 up here in canada. the D-16 is $1000 if im not mistaken.
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#27
Martins are way over priced regardless of model. Have a look at some Australian Matons. They kick arse and are way better built with fantastic Aust. woods! Check out Tommy Emmanuel on you-tube playing Matons. Awsome! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYzajpeAWuA or :
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#28
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16-series starts from the GT and other models, the D-16 is the top of that series. D-16GT is $999 on MF and D-16RGT is $1199.
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#29
Most Martin necks for their top models now come from Aust. as do a lot of their woods too. Their supplier is Maton.
#30
Chips has got it right. the D-16 you listed is full gloss body. I'm talking gloss top.

For some reason, the D-16RGT(rosewood gloss top) has more appointments than the D-16R. The R doesnt have a herringbone rosette or white neck binding. it's strange... but i cant complain since i love the way my D-16RGT looks.

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@Akabilk - I wish I could try a Maton and a Cole Clark. Just can't find them in Toronto =/ the FL3 sure is a looker.
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#31
^ Alright then, my mistake. But what was written was just D-16.
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#32
my bad as well then. the only D-16's i see up here are all gloss top. i forgot and just started assuming that they all were as well.
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#33
Yeah it gets a bit confusing with all the R'sand G's and T's. I mean I know what they mean for the guitar, but ti can create problems in knowing what everyone is talking about.

No worries though.
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