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People always talk about the meaning of life and it gets boring as the

"there is no meaning to life,"
"life is about procreation,"
"life is about having as fun,"
"life is about being a good *insert religious-affiliation here*,"

arguments get thrown around. So let's talk about the meaning of death.

Is there a meaning of death? If so, what is it?

Go.
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#3
The meaning of death is to end life.


(and begin a new chapter in Heaven or Hell, that's what I believe)
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#4
To make life seem more important.
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#7
The meaning of your death will be to make my empire stronger.
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#8
It means I will become stronger than you can ever imagine
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#9
The termination of the biological functions that define living organisms.
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#10
We can't live forever, so, we die.
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#11
People need a meaning to everything...
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#12
The meaning of life is to have as much fun as possible without having a directly negative impact on those around you, you do this because you wish to be treated like you treat others. Living your life by this will make you a far better human than any religion can.
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#13
ummm so the micro.buddies can eat you and make methane from your body ... that's the point i guess
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#15
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To make life seem more important.


This guy just said it perfectly.
#16
You know, I just watched The Big Lebowski again - and it just made the meaning of life so much clearer. Fuck it, I'm going bowling.

edit: meaning of death... oops. fuckit...
#17
"You are not special. You are not a beautiful or unique snowflake. You are the same decaying organic matter as everything else."

RMF


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#18
It's either the final chapter or a transition into a completely new and unknown one.
#19
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#22
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People always talk about the meaning of life and it gets boring as the

"there is no meaning to life,"
"life is about procreation,"
"life is about having as fun,"
"life is about being a good *insert religious-affiliation here*,"

arguments get thrown around. So let's talk about the meaning of death.

Is there a meaning of death? If so, what is it?

Go.
What's your opinion?

Since I don't believe that the human species as a whole is 'meant' to be here for any particular purpose other than the same as any other species, I don't think our life cycle (including death) has a meaning. It's just happening, for no reason other than we've survived this long. If you're asking what it means to die, it means that our life cycle has ended. That's not a negative view, in fact I think it's liberating. What our lives are about is subjective IMO.
#23
death is the beggining of the end...or the end of the beggining...wait there the same thing
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#25
Death is required for everything to keep on living. The death of an animal feeds another. The death of a plant fertilizes the soil.
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What's your opinion?

Since I don't believe that the human species as a whole is 'meant' to be here for any particular purpose other than the same as any other species, I don't think our life cycle (including death) has a meaning. It's just happening, for no reason other than we've survived this long. If you're asking what it means to die, it means that our life cycle has ended. That's not a negative view, in fact I think it's liberating. What our lives are about is subjective IMO.


But clearly, as super-conscious creatures (compared to most other species, spare whales, dolphins, chimps, etc.) we are closer to the collective subconscious than all other species on earth.

On a literal perspective, life and death have no meaning. What does life mean in on a mystical perspective? The act of living? You and I can surely answer that with some feeble words.

Similarly on the mystical perspective, death has a meaning too. What it is, I can't even put in feeble words.
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#28
Death is like the "game-over" of life. And unfortunately, once you reach Death, there are no one-up mushrooms to be found...

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#29
why is everyone saying what happens to your body?
yeah it gets put in the earth or decorative urn, if put in the earth helps other species live.

but what happens to the spirit when the body dies is what matters.
it goes to heaven or hell.
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#30
LOL gunpoweder.. you my friend, are funny.


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#31
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you body fails at sustaining itself and it stops

Meh. this.

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#32
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But clearly, as super-conscious creatures (compared to most other species, spare whales, dolphins, chimps, etc.) we are closer to the collective subconscious than all other species on earth.

On a literal perspective, life and death have no meaning. What does life mean in a mystical perspective? The act of living? You and I can surely answer that with some feeble words.

Similarly on the mystical perspective, death has a meaning too. What it is, I can't even put in feeble words.
Our natural human ability to pursue complex and abstract goals is key to those questions, I think. The fact that we actually think about whether and why our lives and deaths are significant, looking to attribute metaphysical properties to them, is one of the things that sets us apart from other animals and might even be what makes human life meaningful in the first place. Searching for meaning is a natural process; that's why some form of spiritual belief has been around for as long as we've been smart enough to look up. You mention that you feel that death must have a meaning, but it's also too big for humans to conceptualise (or I assume that's what you think.) I agree.

But however intuitive this meaning might seem, I'm still faced with my belief that existence precedes essence. I don't think human lives were intended to have any significance by a higher being, therefore we have to determine what it means to be human ourselves. The collective subconsciousness that you describe might be a subjective concept, taking into account how perfectly nature functions balanced by the interdependency of all organisms, and how relatively badly our species is harmonising with this balance despite (and perhaps even because of) being equipped with a much higher cognitive capacity.

Maybe there's a sort of hierarchy of meaning and interpretation going on, even though there isn't a benevolent creator, but we're necessarily unaware of it because for all we know our species is at the top of the tree - which is how we can work out the nature and significance of other animals' lives but not our own, beyond the popular 'be a good person' concepts. Since we can't venture out of our own consciousness, we can't get a bird's eye view of the human race. Now I don't want you to think I'm a crazy person or nothin', but I think logic dictates that somewhere out there exist superior beings to humans, who would be capable of such an insight. I doubt we'd be able to understand them if they told us though, considering what would be likely to be an astronomical gap in our methods of communication.

/rambling
#33
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why is everyone saying what happens to your body?
yeah it gets put in the earth or decorative urn, if put in the earth helps other species live.

but what happens to the spirit when the body dies is what matters.
it goes to heaven or hell.


There isnt any such thing as heaven or hell thats just a misinterpretation (cant spell) of night and day (well in my opinion and a lot of other peoples too)
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#35
Oxidization of the body!

Seriously, we die so our organic matter can create some other living being sometime in the future.

Which means... that jesus died to make you!

But so did the dinosaurs, so it's all good.
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#36
meaning of death
to make more room
and possibly reincarnation, but i'm not sure whether i believe in it or not
wen i ask they say that they fall into the habit smhw ........but nyways i think there is a connection smwhere. Now i being a teetollar will not give into this habit nyhw

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#37
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There isnt any such thing as heaven or hell thats just a misinterpretation (cant spell) of night and day (well in my opinion and a lot of other peoples too)



prove me to me there's no heaven or hell..
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#38
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Our natural human ability to pursue complex and abstract goals is key to those questions, I think. The fact that we actually think about whether and why our lives and deaths are significant, looking to attribute metaphysical properties to them, is one of the things that sets us apart from other animals and might even be what makes human life meaningful in the first place. Searching for meaning is a natural process; that's why some form of spiritual belief has been around for as long as we've been smart enough to look up. You mention that you feel that death must have a meaning, but it's also too big for humans to conceptualise (or I assume that's what you think.) I agree.

But however intuitive this meaning might seem, I'm still faced with my belief that existence precedes essence. I don't think human lives were intended to have any significance by a higher being, therefore we have to determine what it means to be human ourselves. The collective subconsciousness that you describe might be a subjective concept, taking into account how perfectly nature functions balanced by the interdependency of all organisms, and how relatively badly our species is harmonising with this balance despite (and perhaps even because of) being equipped with a much higher cognitive capacity.

Maybe there's a sort of hierarchy of meaning and interpretation going on, even though there isn't a benevolent creator, but we're necessarily unaware of it because for all we know our species is at the top of the tree - which is how we can work out the nature and significance of other animals' lives but not our own, beyond the popular 'be a good person' concepts. Since we can't venture out of our own consciousness, we can't get a bird's eye view of the human race. Now I don't want you to think I'm a crazy person or nothin', but I think logic dictates that somewhere out there exist superior beings to humans, who would be capable of such an insight. I doubt we'd be able to understand them if they told us though, considering what would be likely to be an astronomical gap in our methods of communication.

/rambling


Egads. Reading that was like listening to a Joseph Campbell lecture.



Yeah, I do have to agree that any meaning we happen to place on the concrete ideas of life and death are based upon our inherent nature to reach for the abstract. However, as you said as logic dictates, there should be some sort of being that gets the birds-eye view on the human race as we do on all species below us. Apparently being on top gives us a sufficient explanation of what each species in the evolutionary ladder below us serves for. Similarly, even if the gap is astronomical, between us and a more evolved being, that being would be able to explain the essence of our life and death. (as we would explain what the fox is there for and why it dies, relative to its habitat)

Also directly related to the "meaning" of death is the belief of an afterlife. I think those inclined to believe in one would answer something like "to be reunited with heaven..." And those who are scientifically inclined, like one of the guys above, would say that we serve to decompose so that our bodily matter gets recycled in the grander scheme of things. I think that it can be settled with the already-mentioned idea that death is too big of a concept for humans to conceptualize. If you hear the world's best mythologists speak, they will say that the purpose of life is to live and celebrate the act of living, and to assign arbitrary meanings to the act is like taking the whole universe and compressing it into a button. Similarly, if the purpose of death is the same, to celebrate the act of departure, then certainly it seems not a bad thing at all!
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#39
^Cool. This is the most philosophy I've done in months. You sir have provoked my thoughts.
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Prove to us there is.
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#40
^ luls god is liek ultimaet so heven n hel exests okay
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