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#1
ok, so my band has gone through a bunch of crap recently. we've lost our bassist and our drummer, and we probably don't have a singer since our current one doesn't want to do metal anymore.

but theres this girl that our lead guitarist knows and shes willing to sing metal for us.
do you guys think its a good idea? we do mostly protest the hero, In Flames, and Alexisonfire kind of songs.

btw: i don't know if this is the right place for this, but i just want to know, because this way we'll at least may have a singer
#2
If she's good, then go for it.

But I would think only In Flames would really qualify as being metal.
#4
Yeah, go for it if you can.

May have to slightly change what you are playing to accomodate the new vocalist, but that would apply if you were changing from one male to another one if they had slightly different ranges.
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#6
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check out the band named flyleaf....if you've played Rock Band, their song "i'm so sick" is on it.
they rock really hard, and the singer's a chick.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tB5fV_Pewlg


ok, i remember flyleaf

i just don't want a whiny chick vocalist like paramore

and btw; i haven't heard it yet, im supposed to tomorrow, and maybe i'll be kind enough to let you guys know how it went
#7
Arch Enemy is my favorite example. other than being incredibly sexy, the girl who screams for them has one of the best screams/growls in metal today as far as i'm concerned.
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Arch Enemy is my favorite example. other than being incredibly sexy, the girl who screams for them has one of the best screams/growls in metal today as far as i'm concerned.

yea, well the female would be doing softer vocals, while the lead does his medium-growl-singing-whisper **** that he does well, while i go crazy deep with my diaphram (i scream and growl :P)
#9
You have as many variations with female vocals as males,

You have Kitty, Arch Enamy, Lacuna Coil, Flyleaf, Within Temptation and so many more. These bands cover anything from growling to classicly trained singers.

Wish you all the best when you check out her singing,,,
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lmao whAt dude???

anyways, OP, I would look at it like any other potential band member. Check her out lol to see if she's a good vocalist or no/ the audience is there, plus if you re saying Protest the Hero type ****, then a female might be able to belt out the high notes like their singer does cept he is a dudeman
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You have Kitty, Arch Enamy, Lacuna Coil, Flyleaf, Within Temptation and so many more. These bands cover anything from growling to classicly trained singers.


And the lead singer for Kitty has studied classical vocal technique. I know her teacher. He is excellent and he studied with my teacher - a true maestro.

CT
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#13
If she can, she should

Let her in, at least you have someone who is willing to do vocals for a band, alot of people can't find one for love nor money
#14
Listen to To-Mera. Only band I like that has a female vocalist. Also, try Arch Enemy (new stuff has Angela Gossow).
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#15
Cool thanks for your input guys. I just got back from her audition, and man was it damn good! She sang along with the original track of Divinity Within from PTH and Come Clairity by In Flames, and finally me, and the lead guitarist played an acoustic version of Rough Hands by Alexisonfire. She's definetly a keeper!!
#16
It's not about what sex she is, it's about the voice, so try her out and if she's good, sign her up.
But.
If she joins, make sure you all agree that relationship wise, she's off limits for all band members.
You seriously don't want two people in your band to be involved in a relationship with each other because it's the kiss of death for a band.
What usualy happens is that at first they spend all their time together, huddled in a corner and isolated from the rest of the band, which makes working with them a real pain.
Then later, when the honymoon period is over, they bring all their relationship problems with them to band practice and recording sessions and gigs, which makes just being in a band with them a real pain.
Then eventualy they split because they're musicians and they both have artistic egos, and then you have to choose which one of them goes because being in a band with them has just become impossible.

Honestly, I've been through this in bands a few times and it always ends up the same way, think about it, how many famous musical couples that work together can you think of that have stayed together for any amount of time?
Believe me. It's a very small percentage.
#17
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It's not about what sex she is, it's about the voice, so try her out and if she's good, sign her up.
But.
If she joins, make sure you all agree that relationship wise, she's off limits for all band members.
You seriously don't want two people in your band to be involved in a relationship with each other because it's the kiss of death for a band.
What usualy happens is that at first they spend all their time together, huddled in a corner and isolated from the rest of the band, which makes working with them a real pain.
Then later, when the honymoon period is over, they bring all their relationship problems with them to band practice and recording sessions and gigs, which makes just being in a band with them a real pain.
Then eventualy they split because they're musicians and they both have artistic egos, and then you have to choose which one of them goes because being in a band with them has just become impossible.

Honestly, I've been through this in bands a few times and it always ends up the same way, think about it, how many famous musical couples that work together can you think of that have stayed together for any amount of time?
Believe me. It's a very small percentage.


Paul McCartney and Linda McCartney, John Lennon and Yoko Ono, Bruce Springsteen and Patti Scialfa... ummm... Fleetwood Mac, but all the couples split up... the band stayed together though. But yeah, it's tough.
#18
Aren't Jack White and Meg White ex husband and wife too?

...but yes, it is very rare for a couple to split up in a band, and still have the band continue on.

CT
Could I get some more talent in the monitors, please?

I know it sounds crazy, but try to learn to inhale your voice. www.thebelcantotechnique.com

Chris is the king of relating music things to other objects in real life.
#19
Honestly, in full disrespect i'd say "no go", but then again, if you plan on mixing that punk you wrote up there ('cept In Flames), with metal, then you could probably pull it through.

But if you go for the whole "True Metal" thing, then you should not have a chick singer, in my opinion... Personally i hate women in Metal, since i think that.. Well, since those damn redsocks, they've taken everything male dominated from us, and i'll be damned before they do the same to metal!.. Anyway..

If you go for more prog. or "different" metal, then it's fair'nuff, but if you're trying to really get a metalhead crowd, then you should not..

And i'm one of the few persons that thinks Angela from Arch Enemy sounds horrible xD

Anyway, try to play with her, she might fit what you're playing, if it does not work out.. Go look for a new Halford or Eric Adams ^^


Hil
#20
Quote by Northernmight
Honestly, in full disrespect i'd say "no go", but then again, if you plan on mixing that punk you wrote up there ('cept In Flames), with metal, then you could probably pull it through.

But if you go for the whole "True Metal" thing, then you should not have a chick singer, in my opinion... Personally i hate women in Metal, since i think that.. Well, since those damn redsocks, they've taken everything male dominated from us, and i'll be damned before they do the same to metal!.. Anyway..

If you go for more prog. or "different" metal, then it's fair'nuff, but if you're trying to really get a metalhead crowd, then you should not..

And i'm one of the few persons that thinks Angela from Arch Enemy sounds horrible xD

Anyway, try to play with her, she might fit what you're playing, if it does not work out.. Go look for a new Halford or Eric Adams ^^


Hil

Personaly, I fail to see what difference a pair of breasts should make to someone's musical ability and why having a pair of breasts should be a factor that decides whether someone should be allowed in a band or not.
Yes women tend to have a higher pitched voice than men, but then, you did just mention looking for the new Rob Halford, so it can't be the pitch of voice that bothers you about women in metal bands, it's probably not the looks of the female in question either because I've seen very few all male metal bands that are bothered in the slightest about their own personal looks (well, nowhere near to the extent that a boy band for example would be anyway) and obviously image is just a clothing store away, so just out of interest, what exactly is it about women in metal bands that bothers you?
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#21
My band's singer's sister plays drums and i always piss her off because i go on about why women should not be in any type of metal (besides goth and symphonic). My reasons for this are that women don't meet the spirit of metal which i believe is dirty and ****ed up, my other reason is that women tend to nag ALOT more than your average man. Finally if a women is to be successful in a metal band she has to be sexually appealing and a lot of the women in metal are.
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Finally if a women is to be successful in a metal band she has to be sexually appealing and a lot of the women in metal are.


Consider the market.... primarily teenage boys. Ugly dudes are fine. In fact, a lot less 'suspicious' than a pretty boy trying to come across as all anger and aggression-fest.

Throw a good looking girl at a demographic of teenage boys and you've got a winner. Throw a less attractive girl and it just becomes apathy met with suspicion.

Same reason why old ugly dudes never make it in dance pop. The teenage girls love the pretty boys.

CT
Could I get some more talent in the monitors, please?

I know it sounds crazy, but try to learn to inhale your voice. www.thebelcantotechnique.com

Chris is the king of relating music things to other objects in real life.
#23
Oh, to Slacker, on that earlier one. What bothers me about females in Metal, is that metal used to be manly and for men, the 80ies was the primetime of metal because of this.

Of course women can sing and such, its not than they are not able to, it's just that i.. well, i don't like it. Metal should be that manworld <.< As it used to be. Not in a gay way of course, but you know, the place you can go to escape from your wife, go headbang and enjoy yourself - rather than bringing your wife with you, who will closely watch everything you do, all night.

Well, there is so many areas where there are more girls than guys in both the music scene and the real world. And the ONLY thing i and many others had years ago, to connect with myself and other likeminded people, the women are now trying to take from us too, even if it is just by participating. Most of metals genres has become.. Dull, whining, and terrible..

Just look at the scene nowdays.. erk.. When did bands like Maiden, Manowar, Sabbath and such stop being made? Yes, sure, people might believe it stopped out of musical evolution, or what people call it.. But it has something to do with influences. And the female influence HAS ruined alot in the world of metal that i care so dearly about..

I am currently ill, and i might have repeated myself a few times, or something like it - in that case.. my bad..


Why was women allowed to vote anyway?! Back to the kitchen! ... Was that over the line? <.<
#24
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Oh, to Slacker, on that earlier one. What bothers me about females in Metal, is that metal used to be manly and for men, the 80ies was the primetime of metal because of this.

Ah yes, the eighties, those were the days, Girlschool, The Runaways, Rock Goddess, The Plasmatics, Joan Jett, Lita Ford, Pat Benetar, Heart, Vixen, Bitch, Warlock.
(remember Doro from Warlock?)

Infact, come to think of it, I honestly don't think there are as many women in metal now as there were in those days.
Yeah, the 80s were great days for women in metal, but of course they weren't a patch on the all male bands like Rush, Budgie, Judas Priest and Raven that were going at the time with their deep manly vocals.
Still, for all the manlyness that was going around at the time, why was it that bands like Twisted Sister, Poison, Hanoi Rocks and Motley Crue dressed up like women all the time?
Infact, come to think of it, I can hardly remember any metal band from the 80s that wasn't into long hair, spandex and makeup at some point. And this is when you say metal was more manly? Are you sure?

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Of course women can sing and such, its not than they are not able to, it's just that i.. well, i don't like it. Metal should be that manworld <.< As it used to be. Not in a gay way of course, but you know, the place you can go to escape from your wife, go headbang and enjoy yourself - rather than bringing your wife with you, who will closely watch everything you do, all night.

Hey, just because you're under the thumb, that's no reason to want to deprive the rest of us guys.
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Of course women can sing and such, its not than they are not able to, it's just that i.. well, i don't like it. Metal should be that manworld <.< As it used to be. Not in a gay way of course, but you know, the place you can go to escape from your wife, go headbang and enjoy yourself - rather than bringing your wife with you, who will closely watch everything you do, all night.

If you lack the balls to tell your wife you need at least one manly get-together a month you probably shouldn't be listening to metal in the first place.
#26
it should be perfectly fine to have her in the band. as long as she's good at what she does. just like anyone else. however, i agree with whoever said that she should be off limits to the rest of the band. relationships kill bands, not the actual women
#27
Haha there will never be a new Halford. But it's a double edged sword. If you like the sound, and it fits what you play then go for it, BUT there can be NO relationships in the band. Or you're eff'd in the eh
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#28
Sorry for double post, i just kinda laughed at the Rob Halford singing with a deep manly voice thing, but that is a very good point.
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#29
I wouldn't think it would be a bad idea. If you do metal with growls in it then, yeah terrible choice but, if you do a lighter, more 80's style metal, go ahead. I actually just saw a girl singer for a hard rock band.
#30
Btw when i said women have to be sexually appealing i meant it puts unneeded pressure and creates a poor self-conscience because a women will be judged quite a lot on appearance which in its self is degrading.
#31
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Sorry for double post, i just kinda laughed at the Rob Halford singing with a deep manly voice thing, but that is a very good point.


Cheers bud, and yeah, it's just silly to say that women can't sing in metal bands because of their voice when so many metal bands have vocalists who sing in what is normaly a female pitch.
#32
Ahem, you got a point somewhere Slacker. Forgot about Girlschool and the likes.. But i just feel that it has somehow changed, and i myself do not like women in metal, well.. In some cases yes, but i am mostly thinking about when the women try to sound like males..

Now gone from a fact from my head to a personal opinion xD
#33
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i myself do not like women


Fun with 'out of context' quotes.

CT
Could I get some more talent in the monitors, please?

I know it sounds crazy, but try to learn to inhale your voice. www.thebelcantotechnique.com

Chris is the king of relating music things to other objects in real life.
#34
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Quote by Northernmight
Ahem, you got a point somewhere Slacker. Forgot about Girlschool and the likes.. But i just feel that it has somehow changed, and i myself do not like women in metal, well.. In some cases yes, but i am mostly thinking about when the women try to sound like males..

But you're still OK with males sounding like women and wearing spandex and leather and long hair and makeup?
#35
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But you're still OK with males sounding like women and wearing spandex and leather and long hair and makeup?

You say that like it's a bad thing
#37
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You say that like it's a bad thing

Oh it's not a bad thing, fashion is fashion and each to their own sorta thing, but it is slightly dubious when someone wants to ban women from a particular genre, but has no problem with men putting on make up and dressing and sounding like women.

Y'know, a similar thing happened in Shakespear's time in the 17th century, women were not allowed to become actors, so if you went to see a play like for instance Romeo & Juliet, all the female parts would be played by a man, in a dress, with makeup on.
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#38
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Y'know, a similar thing happened in Shakespear's time in the 17th centuary, women were not allowed to become actors, so if you went to see a play like for instance Romeo & Juliet, all the female parts would be played by a man, in a dress, with makeup on.


Which also had been castrated? (sp?)
#39
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Which also had been castrated? (sp?)
You're thinking of Castrati singers in Opera, where young boys were castrated to stop their voices breaking, eventualy creating a man with the falsetto voice of a woman.

But you are kinda right, it wasn't compulsory for a boy who plays a female part to have his nuts whipped off, but many Castrati did actualy become actors that specialised in female parts, just as they did on the Opera stage.
The confusion arises because quite often, normal boys, with unbroken voices were used to play the part of women in plays, and there were also quite a few failed castrati singers around at the time who became quite succesful actors who specialised in playing female roles.
Y'see, to be a successful castrati singer, it's not just about having your balls removed, you need to actualy be a good singer too, so what happened quite often was that many parents had their son's wedding tackle removed in the hope that he would make a great castrati some day, without actualy checking to see if he had a great voice to start with, which resulted in there being lots of unemployed castraties who never really made the grade, singing wise, so many of them took to acting and specialising in playing female roles on stage, pretty much as they did in opera, but without the singing.
There is in known existance just one single example of a recording of a castrati singer called Alessandro Moreschi. (look it up and have a listen, it's available on the web)
Listening to the recording, we can tell that the singer in question didn't actualy have such a good voice, nevertheless, he was quite well known because he was one of the last castrati singers, something of a rarity, so he was really better known for his freak value than for his actual voice, a bit like Marilyn Manson really.

It was still preferable however to get young boys to play the parts of women though, because a castrati usualy grew to enormous proportions in adulthood (because of the lack of testosterone) and nothing looks more ridiculous than a romantic scene on a stage where the female part is played by a huge 6' 8" foot tall man with hands like shovels, no matter what his voice sounded like.

There are actualy a few cases of women occasionaly being employed as actors in the 17th century, but it was officialy illegal and was said to be a lowly, disrespectful trade for a woman to be in, so lowly and disrespectful that prostitution was said to be preferable.
Infact, actresses of the time usualy were prostitutes, which is where the notion that 'people from upper class families shouldn't become thespians' and that 'good girls in general shouldn't become actresses' came from, because actors were associated with prostitution and strange oversized freaks with high pitched voices. The theatre was regarded among the upper classes as dens of immorality and things stayed pretty much that way, until cirtain wayward members of royalty (usualy with the title 'Prince of Wales' to back them up) started patronising the theatre and actualy started knighting actors and actresses once they became king.
The female equivalent of address to 'Sir' for a British knighthood was origionaly called a 'Dame' in those days, these days the official female version of a knighthood is titled 'Lady' but the 'Dame' title has been retained almost purely for the knighting of female members of the entertainments professions, such as actresses like Dame Judi Dench or Dame Helen Mirren or opera singers such as Dame Janet Baker or Dame Kiri Te Kanaw.
A tradition that our own Queen obviously still continues to this day as a patron of the performing arts.

Still, I digress. I'm a history buff, get me started on history and I can't stop myself.
But the history is fascinating when we compare it to the situation today.
On the one hand, you have the banning of women in theatre, which results in small boys and castrated, oversized men acting as women on stage.
On the other hand, with many people saying 'women shouldn't play metal' we have men wearing spandex, leather, long hair and makeup singing in a falsetto voice.

You'd have thought we would have progressed a little more than that since the 17th century.
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