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And I have no idea how. The riffs are usually kind of death or thrash metal-esque, but I can't seem to get the grindcore feel when I try to write riffs. Like I'll do a tremolo-picking riff and it just sounds like Death or Obituary, not Pig Destroyer, Nasum, Carcass, etc.

Help!
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Quote by coryklok
go **** yourself.

thats harsh man gridecore is music like anyother kind of of music; have some respect for other people differances. and idk man im not a grindcore listener so i can't really help out
#5
Quote by Tehzekester
Thanks bro.
Dethklok sucks btw.

his comment was retarded yours even more so

back to topic pretty much ignore transitions you can switch from any riff into another seemlessly with grindcore.
tremolo picking is essential but do it with less melody than say carcass if your talking about bands like annotations just chug and let the vocalist do all the work.
#6
Have you learnt or listened to any of the Gridcore "Epics"?
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#7
Quote by coryklok
go **** yourself.


reported for.... well i'm sure you can figure it out.
#9
i was in a "grind core" band for a while.
just have wicked heavy drums, intense guitar riffs, and TWO lead screamers, not just one.
we were one badass f***ing band.....
but then we broke up cause the screamers both quit


EDIT: i was only in the band cause i needed a band, i listen to much lighter stuff than grind core
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#10
Quote by musicTHEORYnerd
i was in a "grind core" band for a while.
just have wicked heavy drums, intense guitar riffs, and TWO lead screamers, not just one.
we were one badass f***ing band.....
but then we broke up cause the screamers both quit


EDIT: i was only in the band cause i needed a band, i listen to much lighter stuff than grind core

Talk about writing riff tips!
#11
just write heavy drop d sounding riffs.
make them very very dissonant.
if you dont know what dissonance is go away

EDIT: im not gonna write the riffs for you, just listen to some grindcore bands and write riffs that sound like theirs.
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#12
Listen to Repulsion.
If you don't have any idea of how to write grindcore after that, then just quit.
#14
how many guitars are you looking at playing together?
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#15
Tune to drop D. Play really fast. Be really dissonant. Crank the distortion. Throw in some dissonant tapping and you pretty much got it.
#16
i would use the whole-half scale because it tends to be brutal, and just throw resolution and consonance out the window, and then maybe you will end up with something? try using more random notes that you shouldn't use for non grindcore purposes
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Well, from what I've heard of grindcore, there's a whole lot of this thing where they hammeron and pulloff a minor fourth, and then slide it down a half step and do the same thing. Other than that I have no idea really.
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#18
i think a good variety between low chugging riffs and high meandering fills would help as a start.

look into the phrygian and aeolian modesm in the keys of A, D, or C

dont stay with minor keys. switch it to diminished or augmented.

use tritones like crazy

low note trills and wide vibrato in accompanyment to sweep picking in a different key up 1

octave will make you sound like car bomb or nasum.

keep the time signature in 4/4, 5/4 or 6/8.

just a start...
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Quote by Tehzekester
And I have no idea how. The riffs are usually kind of death or thrash metal-esque, but I can't seem to get the grindcore feel when I try to write riffs. Like I'll do a tremolo-picking riff and it just sounds like Death or Obituary, not Pig Destroyer, Nasum, Carcass, etc.

Help!
Probably a tone thing. Alot of that kind of music is just thrashed powerchords, so I highly doubt its anything to do with your ability as a writer.
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My grind band focusses on groove riffs, lots of thick chugging in drop-c, with tremolo picked or pure noise blast beat sections. We dont take as much inspriration from the classic Napalm Death/Carcass stuff really, mainly the few local bands we like. Try the diminished scale (I think its called) and using chords changes in tritone or minor 2nd, as they sound the most brutal...
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#23
Quote by Zycho
Tune to drop D. Play really fast. Be really dissonant. Crank the distortion. Throw in some dissonant tapping and you pretty much got it.

Best advice in the entire thread.
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Quote by Tehzekester
Elaborate.


Heh umm well i've never really learn't it myself and i don't know much about the scene.

I guess you could call Napalm Death Grindcore? The Bezerker perchance?
If only i'd paid more attention to the countless Grindcore Videos a friend sends me :-P

Can i ask why you want to start writing Grindcore?
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#25
A LOT of people here thinking Deathcore and Grindcore are synonymous...

Write Punkish riffs, but detune your guitar and put more distortion, true Grindcore is just Punk that is faster and has a different tone.
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Quote by SlayerOfTheGods
A LOT of people here thinking Deathcore and Grindcore are synonymous...

Write Punkish riffs, but detune your guitar and put more distortion, true Grindcore is just Punk that is faster and has a different tone.

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#27
My tip? The whole-half and Half-whole diminished scales, the consist of alternating half and whole steps, as indicated by the name, if you don't want to go figure them out yourself, in E, they'd be... E-F-G-G#-Ab-B-C#-D-E, for half-whole and E-F#-G-A-Bb-C-C#-D#-E for whole-half.

They're used in alot of modern metal, especially grindcore, also in some jazz, so unless you're careful, you'll have jazzgrind. Anyways, something neat about both scales is they're a repeating pattern, this pattern repeats every 3 frets, a minor third, so if you played a riff in one part of the scale, it'd be in key if you took it up three frets, this is extremely usefull, as moving in minor thirds is very dark sounding, and this also allows you to have a two guitar harmony where the second guitar plays everything a minor third higher.

A good way to use these scales is say, play an ascending riff in one of the scales, then playing a desending riff in the other of the two. Also, use plenty of tritones, and switching from consonant to dissonant chords, for example, playing Emaj then Bbdim, with another guitarist riffing over that, it works real nice.
#28
Phyrgian Dominant Scale!

Also, go to like drop C or B and trem pick some palm muted power chords, but add in some triplets or blasts.

tritones, tritones, tritones.

get as dissonant as you can when playing an underlying lead
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i've always found pop to be harder to play than metal... especially shred metal... it's just really fast tremolo picking and the occasional palm mute... and the only chords you have to worry about are power chords...
#31
Quote by mindfuk
i think a good variety between low chugging riffs and high meandering fills would help as a start.

look into the phrygian and aeolian modesm in the keys of A, D, or C

dont stay with minor keys. switch it to diminished or augmented.

use tritones like crazy

low note trills and wide vibrato in accompanyment to sweep picking in a different key up 1

octave will make you sound like car bomb or nasum.

keep the time signature in 4/4, 5/4 or 6/8.

just a start...


What the hell is a diminished/augmented key?
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^I hate to say it, but he's just a little confused.
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all grindcore haters go to hell. but if you hate scene grind ur cool. go to heaven.
Any "genre" with core at the end of it is inherently a scene.

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#33
Quote by Tehzekester
Thanks bro.
Dethklok sucks btw.


I'd have to agree the guy was acting childish, but don't take it out on dethklok. They have some pretty nice feeling music. Very fun to play although tuning is lower then I like. I'd have to say just play more grindcore, sounds to me like you've played more of the other genre and have developed a nack for it. If you play more grindcore you'll be able to create better grindcore. Can a metal player just pick up a guitar and play funky jazz?

Quote by MadAudioMan
My tip? The whole-half and Half-whole diminished scales, the consist of alternating half and whole steps, as indicated by the name, if you don't want to go figure them out yourself, in E, they'd be... E-F-G-G#-Ab-B-C#-D-E, for half-whole and E-F#-G-A-Bb-C-C#-D#-E for whole-half.

They're used in alot of modern metal, especially grindcore, also in some jazz, so unless you're careful, you'll have jazzgrind. Anyways, something neat about both scales is they're a repeating pattern, this pattern repeats every 3 frets, a minor third, so if you played a riff in one part of the scale, it'd be in key if you took it up three frets, this is extremely usefull, as moving in minor thirds is very dark sounding, and this also allows you to have a two guitar harmony where the second guitar plays everything a minor third higher.

A good way to use these scales is say, play an ascending riff in one of the scales, then playing a desending riff in the other of the two. Also, use plenty of tritones, and switching from consonant to dissonant chords, for example, playing Emaj then Bbdim, with another guitarist riffing over that, it works real nice.


Very nice way of explaining composition. I've asked questions about composition and never gotten an answer as nice as this one. Really gives a visual of what you would want to do on the fretboard. ++
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#34
My approach would be something groovey, a really cool rhythm, with lots of tempo changes, LOTS. Active EMG's are essential imo. Tone is probably one of the most important things, I'd want to have that heavy wall of creamy distortion
Lyrics'll be easiestXD
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Quote by demonofthenight
^I hate to say it, but he's just a little confused.Any "genre" with core at the end of it is inherently a scene.

Please, this thread wants to die. I'm going to report it with hopes it will die.

lol
you know nothing about music
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjviWgLQLe4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=esgh_tyH3Uc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDjJCHP0gXc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pZdisv8Y10
these are some cool videos for u 2 check out
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#36
Quote by ilikebebop
lol
you know nothing about music

these are some cool videos for u 2 check out




Ts, Listen to grind, write down what you like about it and what the guitars are doing, aim to replicate that but make it your own.
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I hate to bump a thread which SHOULD HAVE BEEN CLOSED by our benevolent mods, but how are 4 crappy core songs meant to convince me of anything?
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#38
Diminished scale is your friend. I' mean the Whole-half pattern.
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#40
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demonofthenight, shhhhhh.
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