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#1
my bro just brought in an epiphone black beauty
heard he paid like 500?? for it

it came with that epiphone guitar user's manual and that little card like thing that says something like
epiphone: officially designed and authorized by gibson

well it was brand new and that price is kinda low so i got a bit suspicious... he got it on ebay ya know

can you experts out there tell whether or not it looks like a real epiphone by some pictures?

i'll post headstock pictures in a moment
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#2
I'm not too familiar with Epiphone wiring colours and whatnot but that looks kind of messy.
#3
above is the wiring...
this is the headstock

i'll post the back of the head or the side of it if needed
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#4
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I'm not too familiar with Epiphone wiring colours and whatnot but that looks kind of messy.


Although to be fair judging a guitars authenticity by the neatness of the wiring isn't a guaranteed way to prove anything. It could just be one put together badly. However pictures of both the headstock and guitar may be useful. I think you can check the serial somewhere can't you? Mind you if it's a copy i'll guess it's a copied serial and might still give you the correct answer.

EDIT: If you look closely at the diagram on the epiphone website:

http://www.epiphone.com/default.asp?ProductID=51&CollectionID=6

You can see the diamond is smaller and 'ends' before the truss rot cover by some distance.

The picture you posted generally looks like the headstock design is out of proportion.
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#5
hmm... i looked for some pictures of epi black beauty on google
some have bigger diamond like my picture and some have smaller diamond

also, are epiphone les pauls supposed to have really neat wirings??
i know gibsons do for certain but i've seen some really dirty-wired epis...
#6
no one would bother making a fake epipi they would just make a fake gibson but any way it looks legit to me
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#7
no... there are fake epis circulating online.... sadly
i guess they thought that epiphone buyers would inspect their guitars a lot less compared to gibson buyers in general

anyway heres a picture of the headstock curve
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#8
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no... there are fake epis circulating online.... sadly


did not know that
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#9
It could be a B stock Epi, there are Epis that if they have a slight deformaty with the looks they drop the price a hundred or so dollars.
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Unless the picture is distorted, the headstock proportions look all wrong.


i put the guitar body on the edge of the bed and took the photo directly from the above
(straight down facing the BODY, not the headstock)
so there should be some angle which CAN cause some distortions??
#14
btw i just found out that one volume knob is kinda blemished
maybe that's why it was so cheap pretty much brand new?? b stock like the guy above me said??
#15
does it have grovers on it??
im no epiphone expert but i kno these things have grovers on em
#16
You know I think its jsut a B-stock because something like the wiring or how big the diamond is.

but yeah there are fake EPI's exspecially the zw Sigs the buzzsaws are red lol they don't even look close and then the Bulls eye is artic white not the antique ivory lol
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#17
yeah its got grovers but if the guitar is fake, they might be fakes also

and i HOPE its just b stock and not a fake.... its got a volume knob that has blemished inside like i said but idk if that makes it a b-stock
#18
i dunno how closely the fakes imitate the real thing but if the fakes are as sloppy as electricdeath says, i say yours looks fine
but then again, some fakes might just be really close... but im not really sure whether or not they would go as far as copying the grover tuners

does anyone know how painstakingly similar a fake can be???
it would be helpful if someone knew the wiring colors that would kinda tell it all from that picture above
#19
wait a sec............................ on that logo
shouldnt that little break in the "o" be at the top of the letter?
looks like its on the bottom of the letter on your picture
#20
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wait a sec............................ on that logo
shouldnt that little break in the "o" be at the top of the letter?
looks like its on the bottom of the letter on your picture


This and i thought that the "e" at the end of Epiphone was supposed to be fully intact, instead it looks like it has a break in it in the picture of the headstock.

The diamond also looks oversized, as stated above.
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#21
the wiring on my epiphone lp isnt particularly tidy, bought it off GAK so i'd assume its real, but the guys above me are right, they'res supposed to be a break in the top of the "o"
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#22
Quote by thelax
i put the guitar body on the edge of the bed and took the photo directly from the above
(straight down facing the BODY, not the headstock)
so there should be some angle which CAN cause some distortions??


Well, here is a picture (click it for full-size) of my Epiphone's headstock (with my Gibson, but ignore that), taken in the exact same way, from the exact same angle. It was taken for another purpose, but is perfect for comparing with your one. OK, it's not a Custom, but the dimensions of the headstock should be the same, just with less decoration.



If you compare that to yours:



The dimensions are wrong. It looks way too long and skinny. The diamond isn't right. The little flared 'heels' (or whatever you call them) from the nut are far too high. Look on mine, it's just above the middle of the truss rod cover. On yours it's at least three quarters. And..

Quote by dagurime
wait a sec............................ on that logo
shouldnt that little break in the "o" be at the top of the letter?
looks like its on the bottom of the letter on your picture


This person is correct. Compare it with the logo on my Epiphone. Mine has the break at the top of the "o". I don't want to piss on your bonfire or anything, but you did ask- all these things considered, and seeing as you paid only $500 for it (which is around £250- less than an Epiphone Standard!), I'm going to say it's a fake. Without further (and better) photos of it, I'm already 99% sure it's fake. Doesn't mean it's a bad guitar, just mean it's not a real Epiphone. The question is- do you care? If it's as good/better than a real Epiphone, who gives a toss?
#23
It looks fake to me, not because of the wiring but because of the proportions of the Headstock, but I'm no expert ..
#24
Sorry to say it man, but it's fake.


Just take ONE look at the binding on the side of the headstock.
Signatures are overrated.
#25
Please take bigger images so we can look into the details.
Look at the diamond logo on the headstock under sunlight. If it's doesn't reflect any colors other than dull white then it might be a fake plastic ****s underneath.

Also inspect the fretworks. Especially on the edges. The fake ones usually have bad filing works done to these area.
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#26
Yeah sorry to say it buy your bro got ripped off it is a fake.

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Yeah sorry to say it buy your bro got ripped off it is a fake.



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Yes... I hope he reports it to eBay to the fucker

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#29
Yeah, definitely seems fake to me.
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#31
Long and thin headstock. Dude that sucks man.
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#32
ok... here r some bigger headstock pictures









hmm wow this kinda sucks
idk my bro says it sounds ok... but given that it's a fake chinese made copy, theres no way this can even be a $500 guitar

better return it or somethin
#33
TS, Although I'm 100% sure it's fake, could you take a picture of the serial number?
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#35
Shouldn't the serial number be below the 6 tuners, instead of above them?

Or is that just the LP Custom etc.?

Edit: Or is that where it is on the Custom too...?

I should really check mine...
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#37
Yeah, you're right.

I should start paying more attention to my guitars...
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Shouldn't the serial number be below the 6 tuners, instead of above them?

Or is that just the LP Custom etc.?

Edit: Or is that where it is on the Custom too...?

I should really check mine...


No, it is above the tuners:



See?

Quote by thelax
i took this one yesterday so it's kinda small but it should show teh serial number


That picture is really small, and the serial number is hard to make out. I think it is "EE080416841", but correct me if I'm wrong on that. I put that number through the Guitar Dater Project, and got this:

Your guitar was made at the
Qingdao Plant (Epiphone), China
April 2008
Production Number: 16841


It's a genuine serial number. Which doesn't really mean much, in light of all the inconsistencies. If all the features, details, and proportions etc were right, the serial number would just seal the deal. but since they're not, the serial number is pretty easy to fake. The biggest clue is in those new photos you took. Compare the logo on your Epiphone to mine- it's all wrong. Really roughly cut, the break is incorrect on the "o", and the logo itself is placed too low on the headstock. Also, compare the serial number shots of both your and my guitar. the 'shoulders' of the headstock on yours stick out really far past the last tuners- way further than on mine.
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#39
According to one of our resident Gibson/Epiphone nuts, Customs are still made in Korea. I don't know how true this is, but the S/N says it was made at Gibson Qingdao (which is in China). Also, that headstock is totally wrong. way too long and narrow.
EDIT: Wait wait wait, couldn't you ask Gibson if it's real or not? They'd know for sure.
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That's the headstock on my epi black beauty.. replete with dust.. apparently she needs cleaning

But, as you can see, smaller diamond, and cut out is at the top of the O
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