#2
Nah, we actually speak microtonally. On stressed sylables and end of sentences we actually increase in pitch, but apart from that.

The chinese language is specifically spoken in pitches and I think the jewish torah is spoken as a song. I dont know how any of it works though.
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yes

hence why some singers can sound out of tune. i know you can say that when they're singing they're trying to hit notes, but when they're talking, there is still sound, hence there are still notes.

saying human speech doesn't have notes is like saying you can't tune a drum kit. that might be what they say at GCSE level, but when you actually know how a drum kit works you can tune it up to notes.

it is, however, damn near impossible to tune your guiar to a drum kit or a human voice.
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hence why some singers can sound out of tune. i know you can say that when they're singing they're trying to hit notes, but when they're talking, there is still sound, hence there are still notes.

saying human speech doesn't have notes is like saying you can't tune a drum kit. that might be what they say at GCSE level, but when you actually know how a drum kit works you can tune it up to notes.

it is, however, damn near impossible to tune your guiar to a drum kit or a human voice.
I think what he's asking is if the sylable say 'gui' from guitar will always be the same note. It wont, because we speak microtonally.
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#5
Some of the sounds we make, when we speak... are bound to be a note, by coincidence...
...but most of the stuff we say won't be an exact note, no.

For example, every now and then one of your words might hit the note A perfectly, but the next word would be just off c#, but not far off enough to be a D.

It's like our voices are really sloppy fretless bassists =)
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^ Wrong. The post above that nailed it. Your voice generall has a pitch to it. Inflection at the end of questions and things like that shift the pitch some, but for the most part we each have one pitch we stick to. Singing is when you shift your pitch as you talk, try talking then try singing, what's the difference? Pitch.
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My mate said something about in some country (cant remember what one he said!) That they use a different note system.

You know when you quarter bend a note on guitar. You get a totally new note you can't play otherwise. They use them, or something. So they may come into it.

We must speak in notes. Surely. Once in college, I had a guitar with me. And this machine or genorator thing was making a noise. And I swear it was an F#. Matched it to guitar.

But it would be hard to do. Try it, say something. Then play notes on guitar until you find what note you saying. Just try not to sing, speak normaly.
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The human voice is basically an out of tune instrument, and we try our best to stay in tune...we settle on one rough note that we like, but this changes dependant on the stress in our voice. Then we work on the tuning for the purpous of singing (well, good singers do, anyway).
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Ain't a note written and a tone taken? So we can't speak in notes?

But anyway I used to have the thought of that all words spoken is rythmic with like 8th notes etc and I found that it's only true if you give it a pulse^^

I think I misunderstood the question btw xD
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What we say has a pitch. Therefore we talk in notes/tones (using them interchangably here), by definition. It might not be in tune or in key, there might be variations and inflictions, but all this means is we just don't speak in 12TET.
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Side note: Any else ever heard that the universe has a constant hum to it, and that hum is a discernable note... I wanna say Eb but I can't remember for sure.
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Well, I guess it is the same as the "timbre" of sounds...
Like there is a certain overtone or frecuency in "e" that makes it sound "e" and not "a", yet the fundamental frecuency can be the same or not,so the pitch varies....
I don't know exactly though....
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What we say has a pitch. Therefore we talk in notes/tones (using them interchangably here), by definition. It might not be in tune or in key, there might be variations and inflictions, but all this means is we just don't speak in 12TET.


I'd like to add, however, that as we almost all learn to speak before we learn to play music, our understanding of pitch is heavily influenced by our speech - high pitched voices and volume = tension, and so on.

Our voices also follow distinct rhythms - although it's very challenging to notate, many people (including Steve Vai) have notated conversations, pitch and rythym, and have highlighted these relationships.
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My mate said something about in some country (cant remember what one he said!) That they use a different note system.

You know when you quarter bend a note on guitar. You get a totally new note you can't play otherwise. They use them, or something. So they may come into it.


Many cultures do this, Many forms of Middle Eastern music make great examples. You're just suffering from "Western musical convention-centrism"
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Side note: Any else ever heard that the universe has a constant hum to it, and that hum is a discernable note... I wanna say Eb but I can't remember for sure.

I believe it was that a black hole emits a perfect Bb, exactly 57 octaves below middle C. But maybe there was something about a universal hum, i can't remember.
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Our voices also follow distinct rhythms - although it's very challenging to notate, many people (including Steve Vai) have notated conversations, pitch and rythym, and have highlighted these relationships.

I've always wanted to record a conversation and try this.
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i did a paper on this for my psychology class
we dont always speak in exactly the same notes you hear in music, but notes we use sound good to us because we're used to hearing them in speach, so musical notes are actually based on the sounds that commonly come up in conversation.
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I'd like to add, however, that as we almost all learn to speak before we learn to play music, our understanding of pitch is heavily influenced by our speech - high pitched voices and volume = tension, and so on.

Our voices also follow distinct rhythms - although it's very challenging to notate, many people (including Steve Vai) have notated conversations, pitch and rythym, and have highlighted these relationships.

"The Dangerous Kitchen" and "The Jazz Discharge Party Hats" from Zappa's Man From Utopia album and "So Happy" from Flexable Leftovers are the examples I'm aware of.
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Well, you have perfect pitch, it wouldn't be too difficult...

But what is your range?
Can you distinguish microtonal music? how many cents does it require for you to distinguish the exact notes?
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Well, you have perfect pitch, it wouldn't be too difficult...

But what is your range?
Can you distinguish microtonal music? how many cents does it require for you to distinguish the exact notes?


Indeed. I would imagine most speech is microsteps apart and nearly impossible to accurately tune to or write out on staff paper.
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