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This is a little bit of a rant thread, and i know some / many of you will not agree

It started with great bands like The Bad Brains, Circle Jerks, Black Flag, Minor Threat, DKs, etc.....and

how can you classify a band like sick of it all in the same genre as those guys?

they sound nothing alike, and their song structure is nothing alike.

Also, for their sakes I hope they don't go ****ing labeling their fans while they're on stage like sick of it all does...

I know of a bunch of other bands that sound like Sick Of It All does, I just don't know band names.

It also seems like any metal band that only has 1 guitar player is considered to be Hardcore too....?

I didn't just make this thread just cause I really dislike bands like Sick Of It All, but because imo they don't even seem like they were influenced by Black Flag, Minor Threat, or any of the bands those guys were influenced by.

Are there still many bands that play hardcore punk the way it (imo) should be?
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would you put No Doubt and Mighty Mighty Bosstones in the same genre?

too bad, they're both Ska
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because genres progress
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May it pass away in the beautiful flames that it was created for.
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In this hope.
For all i care set it all ablaze.

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what its a sub of doesn't even matter

genres have been innovated and progressed to the point that, their roots don't even matter, there are so few bands that fit into a root genre anymore
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and anyways

Punk is just a sub of rock, which is a sub of jazz, which is a sub of blues, which is a sub of folk/traditional

therefore

everything but folk/trad anymore is just a sub

but even then, its all traced back to hymns

so if you don't perform hymns. you're in some sort of bastardized genre
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I don't know why people are so protective of genres. People get personally offended if someone calls something hardcore just because it's different from the kind they like.
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that happens with everything. the first emo bands sounded basically like hardcore punk, which clearly is not the case today. as soon as somethin gets a little recognition someone has to murder it and in a couple years no one knows what it means anymore
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Quote by sjada
that happens with everything. the first emo bands sounded basically like hardcore punk, which clearly is not the case today. as soon as somethin gets a little recognition someone has to murder it and in a couple years no one knows what it means anymore



i wouldn't call it emo anymore, its hardly emotive-hardcore

i wanna say pop-punk, but that's an oxymoron

therefore, aggressive-pop?
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Quote by pwninator123
and anyways

Punk is just a sub of rock, which is a sub of jazz, which is a sub of blues, which is a sub of folk/traditional

therefore

everything but folk/trad anymore is just a sub

but even then, its all traced back to hymns

so if you don't perform hymns. you're in some sort of bastardized genre

Rock didn't come from jazz. Rock and roll was a blend of various genres, including rhythm and blues, country, folk, jazz, and blues.

Jazz didn't exactly come from blues. They are closely related, they often overlap, and they developed alongside each other, like punk and new wave.

Blues came from a mix of European and African musical styles. Not just American/European folk.
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Quote by werty22
Rock didn't come from jazz. Rock and roll was a blend of various genres, including rhythm and blues, country, folk, jazz, and blues.

Jazz didn't exactly come from blues. They are closely related, they often overlap, and they developed alongside each other, like punk and new wave.

Blues came from a mix of European and African musical styles. Not just American/European folk.



i know, i couldn't be arsed to type anymore than i already did

i simplified into a, truthful, explanation that served the point it made
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Quote by pwninator123
and anyways

Punk is just a sub of rock, which is a sub of jazz, which is a sub of blues, which is a sub of folk/traditional

therefore

everything but folk/trad anymore is just a sub

but even then, its all traced back to hymns

so if you don't perform hymns. you're in some sort of bastardized genre

You don't know what your talking about

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Listen to Annihilation Time and the Formaldehyde Junkies.
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Quote by gopherthegreat
You don't know what your talking about



*sigh*

go up, and read what i said last time that was said

there are many genres that formed rock, and i only typed one of them so i wouldn't have to type anything else, my fingers hurt
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Quote by pwninator123
*sigh*

go up, and read what i said last time that was said

there are many genres that formed rock, and i only typed one of them so i wouldn't have to type anything else, my fingers hurt

I couldn't really have known that. My bad.


Though what Werty said is correct.

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"My fingers hurt" is probably the weirdest excuse I've ever heard for giving wrong information.
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Quote by pwninator123
and anyways

Punk is just a sub of rock, which is a sub of jazz, which is a sub of blues, which is a sub of folk/traditional

therefore

everything but folk/trad anymore is just a sub

but even then, its all traced back to hymns

so if you don't perform hymns. you're in some sort of bastardized genre



lmfao. Just stop. rock is an amalgam of blues, country and R&B. Jazz didn't come into rock till the 70's and that's jazz Fusion. Jazz was around WAY before blues. And folk music is probably the most tossed around term ever. Gypsy music is folk music. So are irish traditional songs. I'm assuming you mean American folk music? Which comes from country.
Just shut the hell up.


Sick of it all are alot more hardcore than anything called hardcore nowadays. In fact, they aren't too bad. Stop complaining. And birng this to the hardcore forum.
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I always figured country was an umbrella term for bluegrass, trucker music, and just plain country.
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There was a little jazz influence in rock before jazz fusion. A lot of rockabilly guitarists were influenced by jazz. There were also a lot of jazzy walking basslines.
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While I agree that 80s hardcore is the best hardcore, it is not the only hardcore. Genres change, and hardcore sounds different than it did 25 years ago.

Anyway, shouldn't this be in the hardcore forum?
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Quote by werty22
"My fingers hurt" is probably the weirdest excuse I've ever heard for giving wrong information.



how many times must i say, ABBREVIATED information!

and they do, don't mock me
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Quote by original=punk
Walking basslines came from blues, same with the rockabilly licks.

Walking basslines are common in both jazz and blues. Some basslines in rockabilly sound jazzy, others sound bluesy. Admittedly, most sound bluesy because of the 12-bar blues structure that's so common in rockabilly.

Not all rockabilly guitar playing is the same. Chuck Berry's style, for example, is very bluesy. But Scotty Moore's style (Elvis Presley's lead guitarist), for example, is quite jazzy. Listen to the solos in "Hound Dog" or "Blue Suede Shoes." They obviously have some blues influence, but the molodies are very syncopated, which is characteristic of jazz melodies.

Of course, this is all very subjective, so it's not worth arguing over.
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Quote by werty22
Walking basslines are common in both jazz and blues. Some basslines in rockabilly sound jazzy, others sound bluesy. Admittedly, most sound bluesy because of the 12-bar blues structure that's so common in rockabilly.

Not all rockabilly guitar playing is the same. Chuck Berry's style, for example, is very bluesy. But Scotty Moore's style (Elvis Presley's lead guitarist), for example, is quite jazzy. Listen to the solos in "Hound Dog" or "Blue Suede Shoes." They obviously have some blues influence, but the molodies are very syncopated, which is characteristic of jazz melodies.

Of course, this is all very subjective, so it's not worth arguing over.


I'll kill myself before I subject to myself to listening to elvis.

And neither of those songs were written by him. Just rerecorded.
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I'll kill myself before I subject to myself to listening to elvis.

And neither of those songs were written by him. Just rerecorded.

I didn't say he wrote them.
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Quote by werty22
I didn't say he wrote them.


I know. I'm just sick right now, and therefor bored so arguing seems fun
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Are there still many bands that play hardcore punk the way it (imo) should be?


Yes.

Career Suicide, Limp Wrist, and tons more.

This thread is full of silliness.