#1
hey guys,

i wrote this riff on my guitar set in drop C and my band really wants to put it together but we can't find what key its in. it sounds so right too!!!!!

help!

the notes:

C D D# F G G# A#

using harmonic minors and blues notes i couldn't find the key!!!!
is it "wrong"?!?!"

if found please explain BC THIS IS PISSING ME OFF!!
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so this is in the KEY OF C or Eb Major??

can you please explain
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how you came to the solution that its in Eb Major/c.
im sorry im knew to theory, im still learning how to solo in the key of G and D and working on memorizing my modes and blues notes and harmonic minors =]
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how you came to the solution that its in Eb Major/c.
im sorry im knew to theory, im still learning how to solo in the key of G and D and working on memorizing my modes and blues notes and harmonic minors =]

1. Don't worry about modes or harmonic minor until you understand the major scale well.

2. I looked at the notes you gave; in a diatonic scale, two notes can't be names with the same letter, so where you had something like "C D D#" I knew it had to be Eb. Since the line contained three flat notes (Eb, Ab, Bb) I knew that the key signatures of either Eb major or C minor would work correctly.
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wait is the relative minor to c, Eb?
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Just go with C minor. The notes are right for it.
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wait is the relative minor to c, Eb?

Other way around, but yes. The relative minor to C major is A. The relative minor to Eb is C.
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Just go with C minor. The notes are right for it.

The notes are also right for Eb major; you wouldn't just "go for" something, you'd have to know where your tonal center is.
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alright so, D# is the blues note, what about the other two ?
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alright so, D# is the blues note, what about the other two ?

D# is not the blue note. If you're in C minor, Gb would be the blue note.

Regardless, it's not D#, it's an Eb, and functions as the minor third. It's the color tone of the tonic chord.
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wait is the relative minor to c, Eb?

No, the relative minor of Eb major is C minor

The relative minor to C major is A minor.

maybe your question wasn't worded right.

oops way too slow.
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holy CRAP you guys know your ****,

ile make myself sound even more stupid, but what notes am i allowed to sing, solo, and play over with this?
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The notes are also right for Eb major; you wouldn't just "go for" something, you'd have to know where your tonal center is.


He's playing in C aeolian. That's minor.
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holy CRAP you guys know your ****,

ile make myself sound even more stupid, but what notes am i allowed to sing, solo, and play over with this?

Don't worry, everyone learns sometime.

You can use any note and largely it'll depend on which chord you're going over, but try to generally stick to in-key notes, which are C D Eb F G Ab Bb. Also, since the second and sixth degrees in a minor key aren't quite as consonant (D and Ab), the C minor pentatonic scale, comprised of the notes C Eb F G Bb, would work well. If you're working in a minor key, the seventh degree will often be raised and you'll have a B natural as your leading tone. If you play the B into the C it'll sound well resolved because of the semitonal movement; again, though, it's largely contextual.

It's a lot of information and you don't need to digest it all at once, but it's a general overview. Any other questions are welcome. Keep in mind that if you are in fact playing Eb major and not C minor, some of this information will be different.

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He's playing in C aeolian. That's minor.

He gave us the notes, not the order or the underlying harmony. You can't just assume he's playing in C minor without hearing or analyzing the music.
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Eb major = Eb F G Ab Bb C D Eb

Triads (chords) = Eb; Fm; Gm; Ab; Bb; Cm D(dim)

If it's resolving to C
Notes
C D Eb F G Ab Bb
Chords
Cm D(dim) Eb Fm Gm Ab Bb.
If it's in C minor (i.e. C is the root you might try G major instead of G minor this will include a B which you could then play over the G chord or against the G specifically leading into the C).
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Don't worry, everyone learns sometime.


He gave us the notes, not the order or the underlying harmony. You can't just assume he's playing in C minor without hearing or analyzing the music.


In the order he gave them, it looked like C Aeolian. Hearing the notes in that order sounds like minor.
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Don't worry, everyone learns sometime.

You can use any note and largely it'll depend on which chord you're going over, but try to generally stick to in-key notes, which are C D Eb F G Ab Bb. Also, since the second and sixth degrees in a minor key aren't quite as consonant (D and Ab), the C minor pentatonic scale, comprised of the notes C Eb F G Bb, would work well. If you're working in a minor key, the seventh degree will often be raised and you'll have a B natural as your leading tone. If you play the B into the C it'll sound well resolved because of the semitonal movement; again, though, it's largely contextual.

It's a lot of information and you don't need to digest it all at once, but it's a general overview. Any other questions are welcome.


He gave us the notes, not the order or the underlying harmony. You can't just assume he's playing in C minor without hearing or analyzing the music.



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Quote by COBHC728
In the order he gave them, it looked like C Aeolian. Hearing the notes in that order sounds like minor.

I know, but the order he gave them isn't necessarily the order in which they're played, no big deal.
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you guys are awesome!!

not nearly as gay as those other threads... i remember like a year and a half ago i posted if i should buy the line 6 spider 3 stack and i got it shoved down my throat

thanks alot!

ile be sure to give you guys credit on our myspace after this is written =]

Don't worry, it's a lot of information and theory learning is fairly slow-going, so any other questions you have, feel free to ask.