#1
I'm gonna make me a maple neck-thru guitar with walnut wings

I saw a post that said it won't affect it that much if you do thin coats, but what if I do several layers of white on it...

so my finish looks kinda like guitar (with a few extra coats):
http://www.ironmaiden.com/index.php?categoryid=8&p2_articleid=978

will this effect my tone that much??
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#3
Yeah, it'll affect the tone. More so with repainting vintage guitars. I had a 1985 Kramer that I repainted (no choice) and it lost all of its '80s hard-rock tone. I was pretty pissed...

az: I think TS meant coats of paint.
#4
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How can a coat of paint affect how the pickup picks up the string vibrations?

I highly highly doubt that paint finish affects tone.

I'll go as far to say body wood affects tone, there's no denying maple produces a brighter sound than mahogany, but paint affecting tone? C'mon now.
#5
Quote by forsaknazrael
...layers of white?

Sounds to me like you need to look up how finishing works.


lol, thats true
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#6
Quote by Invader Jim
Yeah, it'll affect the tone. More so with repainting vintage guitars. I had a 1985 Kramer that I repainted (no choice) and it lost all of its '80s hard-rock tone. I was pretty pissed...

az: I think TS meant coats of paint.



ohh i know how you feel man... I hope my finishing goes out alright
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#7
Quote by Iamonfire
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How can a coat of paint affect how the pickup picks up the string vibrations?

I highly highly doubt that paint finish affects tone.

I'll go as far to say body wood affects tone, there's no denying maple produces a brighter sound than mahogany, but paint affecting tone? C'mon now.

Actually, it can. Excessively thick layers of polyurethane finish is one of the reasons post-CBS Fenders are not sought after.

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#8
Quote by Invader Jim
Yeah, it'll affect the tone. More so with repainting vintage guitars. I had a 1985 Kramer that I repainted (no choice) and it lost all of its '80s hard-rock tone. I was pretty pissed...

az: I think TS meant coats of paint.



That's completely preposterous.

I am positive that a guitar could be green or blue and it would not affect how it sounded.

EDIT: I guess I'll read up on those sites, but it still is very hard to believe.
#10
Iamonfire: I'm not talking about the colors. I'm talking about the thinkness of the total finish (primer+paint+lacquer) and it's age.

Another little story: My friend's dad had a hundred-year-old mandolin that he refinished and it changed the tone completely. It no longer sounded 'old', but it sounded just like the other mandolin he has, some kit he bought a couple of years before he got the old one.
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#11
i once had a guy telling me that the chemical ingredients in white nitro/2 part/acryllic changed the properties of the body wood therfore rendering the guitar "toneless"

i think this is idiotic pure and simple because the wood would most likely have been sealed with sanding sealer anyway.

pish posh i say to that.

but excessive coats of nitro, that's another story.
#12
Don't thick finishes dampen some of the body's vibrations or something? That's why some peole say how oil finishes sound better...
#13
Quote by supergerbil
Don't thick finishes dampen some of the body's vibrations or something? That's why some peole say how oil finishes sound better...


+1

Painted guitars supposedly don't resonate quite as well, because the layers of paint act as dampers. Imagine wrapping your guitar with padded foam, then playing it - the vibrations would dissipate through the foam, stopping them from resonating inside the wood body. It's the same principle, but I've always assumed that you'd have to lay the paint on pretty thick to get any negative effects. Nitrocellulose paints and lacquers are supposed to be the worst for this.
#14
Quote by VieNam
I'm gonna make me a maple neck-thru guitar with walnut wings

I saw a post that said it won't affect it that much if you do thin coats, but what if I do several layers of white on it...

so my finish looks kinda like guitar (with a few extra coats):
http://www.ironmaiden.com/index.php?categoryid=8&p2_articleid=978

will this effect my tone that much??


if i was building a neckthru with maple and walnut wings i wouldn't dare think of painting it.

tung oil maybe. paint? no way.
#16
The exception to the 'thick paint = no tone' rule would surely be Gibson LP Customs... thickest paint & lacquer coated guitar ever?
#17
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The exception to the 'thick paint = no tone' rule would surely be Gibson LP Customs... thickest paint & lacquer coated guitar ever?

not even close. Do you know how thick the paint on a squier is? it's like 1/4 or so of an inch thick!
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#18
Seriously. Especially the Affinity series. They have the thickest coats I've ever seen.

Some guy on here once said that he covered his guitar in duct tape and it made it bassier...
#19
Quote by Invader Jim
Seriously. Especially the Affinity series. They have the thickest coats I've ever seen.

Some guy on here once said that he covered his guitar in duct tape and it made it bassier...

that's exactly what I meant.
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#21
yes the finish can change the tone, wasn't the Silverburst Les Paul stopped because the metalic(or whatever) paint messed up the tone?
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#22
Wow I'm really surprised that the micron thick layer of chemicals on your guitar would affect the way that string vibration becomes sound through electronics...

To me it sounds absolutely ridiculous. But hey what do I know?

Also, if you are going to paint a neck through walnut guitar by choice (not by necessity, as I had to do with my flame maple build) you have some issues. The reason you use a wood like walnut is for the way it looks anyway.
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#23
The paint does infact effect the tone of your guitar. Even the type of lacquer you use will. Autmotive lacquer will differ than Nitro. The auto. finish will produce a warmer tone then nitro. The finish should be sprayed on very very thin! All my guitars have figured maple top so I never would paint them. Ive only had one of them cleared by an Auto shop. I did the staining and sealer part. They just sprayed the body
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#24
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Wow I'm really surprised that the micron thick layer of chemicals on your guitar would affect the way that string vibration becomes sound through electronics...

To me it sounds absolutely ridiculous. But hey what do I know?

Also, if you are going to paint a neck through walnut guitar by choice (not by necessity, as I had to do with my flame maple build) you have some issues. The reason you use a wood like walnut is for the way it looks anyway.

not on quite a few guitars my good friend.
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