#1
Hi! Few questions for the people who feel like answering them I've been playing guitar for about 4,5 years now, and when I started I bought some stuff without any experience, resulting in an Marshall MG 100 HFDX top and cabinet (bad choise..) and a Boss ME-50 multi effect pedal (think it's pretty good for home but the distortion sucks in my opinion and I wouldnt use it on stage). Anyway, since a few months I'm in a band which is starting to grow pretty fast, and I was wondering what the pedals are that I really need on stage. I don't have ANY idea about pedals, except that I know I'd like the Boss DD-7. Sooooo.. if you could give me any advice, would be great :P

~ Michel

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#2
first get rid of the MG and get a tube amp.
Then worry about pedals
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#6
a good OD never hurts...
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#7
yea, get a better amp because thats probably why you dont like the distortion on your pedal. id say for a good range of effects...wah wah, flanger, delay, chorus, muff, unique distortions. thats pretty much all you would really need. i have a digitech ex7 expression pedal and it has 7 distortions and 7 effects and they dont all sound too great but they get the job done at home. and if your gonna be between the opeth and COB then i would just suggest a better amp. just get a 212 (2x12" speaker, hence 212) combo amp that has tubes in it or you can just get a half stack for a little bit more of the combo version (typically). overall half stacks are cheaper in the long run because you dont have to pay 600 bux for a combo with poped tubes and good speakers (or visa versa) whyle you can just pay 450 or however much for the new head and 300 or so for the cab. you truely get better distortions over all out of your amp. i wouldent really worry bout pedals and little toys like that till you really feel like adding some into your songs. its pretty hard to do that imo.
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#8
Sell the MG and get a new amp

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#9
Hmm, sounds pretty clear then xD but yeah, if I get rid of the pedal I have some more to spend on an amp, I like using the amp's distortion though, didn't hear much distortion pedals, but the ones that I heared didn't sound so great compared to the distortions build into the amps.. by the way, what is used more often? Delay or reverb (in your overall sound)? Or is that a matter of taste? And would one need a boost? And a compressor? :P Lots of questions O_o
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#10
Sell mg. Get tube amp.
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#11
The gimmick with the multifx things is that they do alot of things mediocre and not one thing really astounding

Sell the ME-50 and the MG (preferably to someone who's stupid enough to buy it)
and get a powerful hi-gain amp (Peavey 5150, bugera 333xl, used Peavey XXX, just to give you some ideas) and get a tuner pedal. Single most useful pedal PERIOD.
You don't actually need any pedals, people just get them to enhance or modify their sound.
If you want a certain sound, you get the pedal or rack unit to obtain said sound.

For me, I would like to own a multitude of effects becuase I love experimenting with new and different sounds. I'll probably end up getting a hand wah, a multi-fold OD, 2 different wahs, a crazy phaser, a freaky flanger, a guitar synth type pedal... anything that sounds different but musical is what i'm after!

With the kind of music you are playing, it does not require many different effects other than say maybe a good delay or chorus (hopefully your amp will have reverb)
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The gimmick with the multifx things is that they do alot of things mediocre and not one thing really astounding

Sell the ME-50 and the MG (preferably to someone who's stupid enough to buy it)
and get a powerful hi-gain amp (Peavey 5150, bugera 333xl, used Peavey XXX, just to give you some ideas) and get a tuner pedal. Single most useful pedal PERIOD.
You don't actually need any pedals, people just get them to enhance or modify their sound.
If you want a certain sound, you get the pedal or rack unit to obtain said sound.

For me, I would like to own a multitude of effects becuase I love experimenting with new and different sounds. I'll probably end up getting a hand wah, a multi-fold OD, 2 different wahs, a crazy phaser, a freaky flanger, a guitar synth type pedal... anything that sounds different but musical is what i'm after!

With the kind of music you are playing, it does not require many different effects other than say maybe a good delay or chorus (hopefully your amp will have reverb)



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here's what you do:
a. sell the mg and the boss
b. buy one of the amps he mentioned (all are pretty good)
c. buy a tuner (boss tu-2 or maybe the korg pitchblack) AND a noise suppressor (yes for high gain stuff you pretty much HAVE to have a noise suppressor, the isp decimator is the best
d. buy the dd-7 if you like digital delay and a bunch of awesome effects, as well as a chorus, personally is my most used effect
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#14
Haha yeah Highwaytohell nailed it ^^ thanks people, hmm, don't know about the noise surpressor, but you're probably right think 125 euro's (about 145 dollars I think..) is a good price for the Boss? If so, I can sell it tonight xD
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Gear:
Schecter Hellraiser C7
Ibanez RG 2620
ENGL Powerball 2
ENGL 2 x 12" PRO Slanted E212VH
TC Electronic G-major 2
Behringer FCB1010
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Haha yeah Highwaytohell nailed it ^^ thanks people, hmm, don't know about the noise surpressor, but you're probably right think 125 euro's (about 145 dollars I think..) is a good price for the Boss? If so, I can sell it tonight xD


not sure on the price
but what i should say is if you're playing gigs and such, or at high volumes, you'll get a lot of feedback without one
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#16
ahhh ok, so it's for feedback, any negative side effects when using a noise surpressor?
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#17
i don't think you need a noise surpressor. Don't let others opinions pick what you need, unless of course you agree. It all depends on what you want, what music you like, what your into, etc. Going through your favorite bands, guitarists, and their music, find the effects you would like. Looking at one of these guitarist's rig will let you know what effect is good for a sound. First, find out what sounds you can get out of a new amp; with that, trying effects at a guitar store is probably your best way to choose.


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ahhh ok, so it's for feedback, any negative side effects when using a noise surpressor?


they can take away tone or volume.

Unless you get the right one and set it to the right setting.
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#19
The complete pedalboard should basically have 6 pedals at minimum. A wah, a compressor, a distortion/overdrive, an EQ, a type of modulation, and a delay.
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#20
For me all i need is a compressor, Eq, Delay, noise gate if my amp is really noisy, and reverb if my amp don't have any
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Haha yeah Highwaytohell nailed it ^^ thanks people, hmm, don't know about the noise surpressor, but you're probably right think 125 euro's (about 145 dollars I think..) is a good price for the Boss? If so, I can sell it tonight xD


try pushing it to say 135 euros and put that up on ebay or craiglist asap. do the same with the marshall (unless you have gigs upcoming, make do until after gigs)
than start your quest to find a good metal amp like one of the ones i mentioned

You don't need a noise surpressor unless you're having noise problems with your setup (too much feedback, hum etc). I'm going to buy one because of the excessive feedback I get when I turn up my OD, most likely either saving for the ISP Pro-rack or just getting the decimator pedal. You should be fine otherwise. For now, just get rid of some of that gear... and start amp hunting!
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i don't think you need a noise surpressor. Don't let others opinions pick what you need, unless of course you agree. It all depends on what you want, what music you like, what your into, etc. Going through your favorite bands, guitarists, and their music, find the effects you would like. Looking at one of these guitarist's rig will let you know what effect is good for a sound. First, find out what sounds you can get out of a new amp; with that, trying effects at a guitar store is probably your best way to choose.



again, high volumes + high gain= high noise and feedback
so if you don't want to be able to really properly play at high levels, don't get a noise suppressor
(and btw chipmunksurfer, rap isn't good because its not even music, its overly commercial bull****, doesn't even have anything to do with guitar)
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#24
haha ok great, amp hunting it is then, I just don't get something, why are a lot of people talking about OD pedals? Well.. I mean, if your amp has a great OD, I don't get why you would want one, or are there just many people with a crap amp OD?
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Schecter Hellraiser C7
Ibanez RG 2620
ENGL Powerball 2
ENGL 2 x 12" PRO Slanted E212VH
TC Electronic G-major 2
Behringer FCB1010
#25
It depends on what you do.

If you just play, like, straight up metal, you're not really gonna need any effects... maybe some delay and a wah, and a good od pedal and/or treble boost never hurt anyone, nor did an equalizer. But your amp is obviously gonna be your biggest tone shaper.

Now if you play the kind of bullcrap I do, you'll need a lot of crazy effects and processors. But since you don't, stuff like that is purely optional.

However if you ever have any spare cash to burn I would highly recommend getting a good loop station. I've got a Roland RC-50 and it's a fucking dream. The nice one like I've got is expensive but it was worth every damn penny.


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(and btw chipmunksurfer, rap isn't good because its not even music, its overly commercial bull****, doesn't even have anything to do with guitar)


I would like to point out that that's just the radio crap. I'm not really a rap fan but there is some really great groups out there with lots of talent.

Plus many rappers and hiphop artists take live bands touring with them. Including guitarists.
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#26
I'm all for tube amps, but some people swear any tube amp will pwn any solid state. There are some descent SS amps, and some ****ty tube amps.

Just get what you like.
#27
You don't need any pedals. You may be perfectly happy with the tone you get just from a better amp. The only pedal I personally feel like I need is a wah pedal. And even without one, i'd be happy. Find the effects that really compliment what you do, and that you can put to good use, and go for those. Don't buy up a bunch of pedals because you feel like you can't play metal without a full pedal board.
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#28
No one can really tell you what effects you need. I mean, they can approximate based on your style of music, but you may end up not liking effect X or not needng effect y. You should, if you can, go to your local music store, and try out their collection. Find out what you like and go from there.
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#30
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haha ok great, amp hunting it is then, I just don't get something, why are a lot of people talking about OD pedals? Well.. I mean, if your amp has a great OD, I don't get why you would want one, or are there just many people with a crap amp OD?


Alot of people use Overdrive pedals on already overdriven amps (preferably with the gain down a bit) in order to tighten up the sound. I use an OD with my amp becuase It gets it that extra balls to push into metal territory. If you're already looking into hi-gain amps, you may not even need an OD.
#31
1) This thread is hilarious.

2) Anyone recommending Peavey gear (especially over Marshall) is nuts. Peavey anything is garbage.

3) No pedals at all? Really? Please show me 3 well know players that do not have a huge pedal board.
#32
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1) This thread is hilarious.

2) Anyone recommending Peavey gear (especially over Marshall) is nuts. Peavey anything is garbage.

3) No pedals at all? Really? Please show me 3 well know players that do not have a huge pedal board.


It's also 5 years old...

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