#1
So here's the dealy-o:

I'm in a four member band, (Me-rythm guitar, a lead guitarist, a bass player, and a drummer)

We've been writing some pretty epic songs.

They have been working great, and I think sound good, but there is one gaping flaw:
None of us can sing.

Me and my guitarist have been yelling the words into the mics along with the music,
but it sounds horrible.

Now he is somehow convinced that singing lessons could fix this problem, and he'll just take over the vocals.
But the problem is that his natural voice does not match our music at all
(We play Drop Db metal) and he sings/talks in a high voice and loses it after a single song
So obviously he can't be the one to sing further down the road.
(I'm not that great, but I have a backup scream for choruses and other vocals I can use, but I can't lead sing.)

So I think we need to find a singer.
And I have the perfect candidate I want to audition,
but my guitarist is utterly convinced that we CANNOT change the current four member lineup.
And when I ask him who will take over the vocals, he'll just brush it off like it isn't that big of a deal.

My question is, how am I going to convince him that we absolutely need this change!?
How can I get him away from the idea that our "original" four members CAN be added to without the sky falling?

(I'm trying to get this to happen soon, as we're suppossed to play a show in September and we're far from ready)
Blindfolds aside I'd probably still close my eyes

And try to feel a trembling fetal life inside
that shotgun barrel that's about to make me bleed

Like an ulcer in the stomach of the beast


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#3
Talk to the other members about it. If the 3 of you agree on the same thing, your lead player will have no choice but to accept a singer. It seems like he just wants to be the front man.
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#4
I really don't want it to come to that, as me and him have been working for this for several years now.
It was just me and him writing songs two guitar parts at a time.

We only recentely (about four-five months ago) brought in our drummer and bass player.

I just want some tips on bringing a player out of his fear of change.

EDIT: ^ To JambaJew
Blindfolds aside I'd probably still close my eyes

And try to feel a trembling fetal life inside
that shotgun barrel that's about to make me bleed

Like an ulcer in the stomach of the beast


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Last edited by sneyob at Aug 10, 2008,
#5
tell him that it won't really affect anyone else, and it'll make it easier on him by only focusing on guitar, not guitar and singing, and his voice isn't exactly the best for drob B tuning

edit : and he won't have to pay/ take time for singing lessons
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#6
It's drop Db, but still.
He's too high for it.

I'm trying to go for the majority vote,
but our bass player is out of town until Monday, andI can't meet again until next weekend.
Tommorow is our next jam sesh, so I'm bringing it up then.

I don't want to go for an ultimatum, like "singer or no band"
Blindfolds aside I'd probably still close my eyes

And try to feel a trembling fetal life inside
that shotgun barrel that's about to make me bleed

Like an ulcer in the stomach of the beast


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#7
Tell him that getting a singer will allow him and you to focus on the guitar playing more and will make you sound better as a whole.

Try to convince to at least let him try out and hopefully having him actually hear the difference will make him change his mind.
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#8
Yeah, I'll probably tell him it will let him focus on his lead more.
Because it will.

And I hope he'll give my prospective singer a chance to try out...

If he heard him sing, he would sh!t a brick.
Blindfolds aside I'd probably still close my eyes

And try to feel a trembling fetal life inside
that shotgun barrel that's about to make me bleed

Like an ulcer in the stomach of the beast


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#9
you could ask him why he doesn't want a singer in the band. like really just sit down and talk it out with him, tell him how you feel about his vocals. Its an ego thing probably. Playing lead guitar/lead vocals. Very Laiho.

But yeah just talk it out with him and do that vote thing to show that everyone pretty much feels the same way as you.
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#10
hang on.
you have a perfectly good singer who wants to be in your band, but you cannot allow him to be in it because he isnt one of the original members.

okay....


he's retarded.
#11
He doesn't neccessarily have to give up song writing duties either. If he's a good lyricist, he can do that, but since he has trouble singing, he can focus more on his guitar playing.
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#12
or you can tell him this - several heavy metal songs have 3 types of vocals - the main heavy voice, the screaming one, and that high pitched one that sings it, tell him he can still sing
Shred Head
All that theory my guitar teacher tries to drill into my head just gets buried under piles of porn and I never manage to apply any of it
#13
Oh, and he writes alot of our music, (I chip in and fix up his riffs, and make it deeper/thicker sounding, rounded out, rhythm stuff)
And I write most of our lyrics.

So I would still be writing the words, but someone else would be singing them.
Blindfolds aside I'd probably still close my eyes

And try to feel a trembling fetal life inside
that shotgun barrel that's about to make me bleed

Like an ulcer in the stomach of the beast


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#14
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He doesn't neccessarily have to give up song writing duties either. If he's a good lyricist, he can do that, but since he has trouble singing, he can focus more on his guitar playing.

That's true...

If he's really concerned about his lyrics then having a good singer will make them stand out more.
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