#1
im very curious about dominant modes.
like for example:
whats the differance between a lydian mode and a lydian dominant mode?
i thought i knew a decent amount of theory cause i know all about the major scale, its modes, harmonizing, and some "weird scales".
weird scales = harmonic minor (i LOVE harmonic minor scale) and hungarian minor.
but these crazy dominant modes confuse the crap out of me.
help please?


EDIT: i looked on wikipedia and it said that the lydian dominant is 1 2 3 #4 5 6 b7.
and the lydian is 1 2 3 #4 5 6 7.
so if a mode is dominant you just flat the seven? (or make it a DOMINANT chord....hence the name)
idk could someone explain better than wiki????
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Last edited by musicTHEORYnerd at Aug 11, 2008,
#2
umm idk about that because phrygian dominant is the same as regular phrygian with a major 3rd
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umm idk about that because phrygian dominant is the same as regular phrygian with a major 3rd

what?
you just confused the hell out of me.
im talking about lydian...
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#4
Dominant means it has a major third, perfect fifth, and minor seventh.
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Dominant means it has a major third, perfect fifth, and minor seventh.

oooooh
so whatever mode there is, if you say its "dominant" it automatically makes it have a major third, perfect fifth, and minor seventh?
what happens if someone say locrian dominant?
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#6
"Locrian Dominant" would be 1 b2 3 4 5 b6 b7, which is actually just the same as Phrygian Dominant, the fifth mode of the Harmonic minor scale.
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so if a mode is dominant you just flat the seven?


i was referring to that statement, sorry
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#8
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"Locrian Dominant" would be 1 b2 3 4 5 b6 b7, which is actually just the same as Phrygian Dominant, the fifth mode of the Harmonic minor scale.

is there any other important names i should know about?
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#9
Lydian Dominant is the fourth mode of the melodic minor scale. Sometimes called Lydian b7. It is identical to the Lydian Mode except as you have mentioned the 7 is flatted.

Any mode called Dominant would imply a maj3 p5 and min7 as mentioned before.

You may know the Diminished scale with it's whole half step pattern.
1 2 b3 4 b5 b6 bb7 7
The only mode of this scale is sometimes called the Dominant Diminished or the Diminished Half Whole
1 b2 b3 3 #4 5 6 b7 (notice the maj3 p5 and min7 intervals are all present).
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#10
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Lydian Dominant is the fourth mode of the melodic minor scale. Sometimes called Lydian b7. It is identical to the Lydian Mode except as you have mentioned the 7 is flatted.

Any mode called Dominant would imply a maj3 p5 and min7 as mentioned before.

You may know the Diminished scale with it's whole half step pattern.
1 2 b3 4 b5 b6 bb7 7
The only mode of this scale is sometimes called the Dominant Diminished or the Diminished Half Whole
1 b2 b3 3 #4 5 6 b7 (notice the maj3 p5 and min7 intervals are all present).

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just to let you all know...
my name musictheorynerd, means i enjoy theory, not that i know alot..
lol i have ALOT to learn.
i mean, i get what your saying but i am going to have memorize ALL that..
wow
thanks for your help though
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#11
These extensions are all relative to the "wierd" scales just like normal modes are relative to the major scale. Just like Phrygian Dominant is the Harmonic Minor scale starting on the 5th degree. It's something you have to memorize I guess. That doesn't really help... Yeah.
#12
There's no such thing as a locrian dominant. Only two dominant modes exist - Lydian Dominant and Phrygian dominant; if you attempt to derive any other dominants by creating a M3 M5 m7 from any other mode you'll end up with a duplicate of another scale. I've made a chart in which I've manually derived hypothetical dominant modes from each mode, along with which scale it duplicates when you do so. I can post it if any clarification is needed.
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There's no such thing as a locrian dominant. Only two dominant modes exist - Lydian Dominant and Phrygian dominant; if you attempt to derive any other dominants by creating a M3 M5 m7 from any other mode you'll end up with a duplicate of another scale. I've made a chart in which I've manually derived hypothetical dominant modes from each mode, along with which scale it duplicates when you do so. I can post it if any clarification is needed.

Now come on.... are you sure you aren't forgetting a few?

How about....... Mixolydian for starters.
#15
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im very curious about dominant modes.
like for example:
whats the differance between a lydian mode and a lydian dominant mode?
i thought i knew a decent amount of theory cause i know all about the major scale, its modes, harmonizing, and some "weird scales".
weird scales = harmonic minor (i LOVE harmonic minor scale) and hungarian minor.
but these crazy dominant modes confuse the crap out of me.
help please?


EDIT: i looked on wikipedia and it said that the lydian dominant is 1 2 3 #4 5 6 b7.
and the lydian is 1 2 3 #4 5 6 7.
so if a mode is dominant you just flat the seven? (or make it a DOMINANT chord....hence the name)
idk could someone explain better than wiki????


Every dominant mode has 3 and b7.
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