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#1
Ok, as a guitarist I'm constantly amazed by this, but it seems EVERYONE thinks Freebird is so hard. True, I love the song and everthing, but I just have to wonder the experience and skill of these guitarists because I could play Freebird 90% after playing guitar for only 2 years...and that other ten percent is not because it's too hard, it's because I don't have the patience to learn something note for note so I'll improv the little parts, but all the big pull off series and such I have down. Am I some sort of prodigy, or I'm I right in thinking that Freebird isn't REALLY that hard?
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#2
no its not that its really hard its just an amazing solo man!

its called musical genius...
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#3
i'd like to learn the solo. i just don't think i can memorize all that. i played this for our talent show. i had to edit it on audacity to make it like 4 mins long. i just played the chords over the solo.
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#4
Well, I think the reality is when it came out it WAS one of the hardest guitar solos, and the fact that it was four minutes long just helped make it amazing. Sure, while bands like Metallica have come out with countless solos that tear Freebird to pieces, Freebird just has a legacy that won't be touched for a very long time and that's why it still lives on as one of the best.
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#7
No one says it's hard, they say that it's long and good.
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Ok, as a guitarist I'm constantly amazed by this, but it seems EVERYONE thinks Freebird is so hard. True, I love the song and everthing, but I just have to wonder the experience and skill of these guitarists because I could play Freebird 90% after playing guitar for only 2 years...and that other ten percent is not because it's too hard, it's because I don't have the patience to learn something note for note so I'll improv the little parts, but all the big pull off series and such I have down. Am I some sort of prodigy, or I'm I right in thinking that Freebird isn't REALLY that hard?


i realy hope that ur not refuring to guitar hero.
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#11
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Ok, as a guitarist I'm constantly amazed by this, but it seems EVERYONE thinks Freebird is so hard. True, I love the song and everthing, but I just have to wonder the experience and skill of these guitarists because I could play Freebird 90% after playing guitar for only 2 years...and that other ten percent is not because it's too hard, it's because I don't have the patience to learn something note for note so I'll improv the little parts, but all the big pull off series and such I have down. Am I some sort of prodigy, or I'm I right in thinking that Freebird isn't REALLY that hard?

Your not a prodigy for playing someone elses song at 90%. Did you write it? Do you play it live and send emotion into thousands of fans? Do you even play it well?
The difficulty of a song does not = its greatness. You wonder the skill of these guitarists? Get over yourself buddy untill you write an awsome song of your own. Tons of people can play freebird better than you. Go make your own songs and stop bragging about playing someone elses and thinking that makes you a prodigy. Lets see a video of you playing it at 90% and well see how much of a prodigy you are. If difficulty = Greatness why do most people not give a **** about Malmsteen and Michael Angelo Batio? Theres a lot more to music than difficulty. I guess the beatles and bob dylan suck than becuase most of there stuff is very easy.
#12
The greatness of the song isn't the talent required, it's how well it fits the song, it's also very famous for the improvisation done at concerts
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Your not a prodigy for playing someone elses song at 90%. Did you write it? Do you play it live and send emotion into thousands of fans? Do you even play it well?
The difficulty of a song does not = its greatness. You wonder the skill of these guitarists? Get over yourself buddy untill you write an awsome song of your own. Tons of people can play freebird better than you. Go make your own songs and stop bragging about playing someone elses and thinking that makes you a prodigy. Lets see a video of you playing it at 90% and well see how much of a prodigy you are. If difficulty = Greatness why do most people not give a **** about Malmsteen and Michael Angelo Batio? Theres a lot more to music than difficulty. I guess the beatles and bob dylan suck than becuase most of there stuff is very easy.


Dude, I was gna say a similar thing, it's not about the song being incredibly difficult, although it's certainly not easy, it's just an AMAZING song to listen to. How many ppl could come up with something so epic as freebird? I know I sure couldn't. And mate, playing it live as well, with the pressures of playing it in front of thousands of fans, and still getting so much passion into it is incredible.
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#14
In the correct situation one note over a progression can sound better than hundreds. I think the most talented solo player would be David Guilmour and those aren't technically difficult... Sort of a "day to learn, lifetime to master" kind of situation. Yes, I CAN play his solos, but I cannot and will not ever be able to play them the way he does.

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Ok, as a guitarist I'm constantly amazed by this, but it seems EVERYONE thinks Freebird is so hard. True, I love the song and everthing, but I just have to wonder the experience and skill of these guitarists because I could play Freebird 90% after playing guitar for only 2 years...and that other ten percent is not because it's too hard, it's because I don't have the patience to learn something note for note so I'll improv the little parts, but all the big pull off series and such I have down. Am I some sort of prodigy, or I'm I right in thinking that Freebird isn't REALLY that hard?

no most of it isnt that hard at all really. its just long and thats what makes it hard to learn i think. plus, people just love it so much cuz its a cool solo and just works well. it doesnt have to be really hard to be amazing.
#16
it's not just because it's 'hard to play' that it's famous, it's cause it's a great solo, all solos aren't down to technicality, if you're relying to technicality alone to write music, you're in trouble (reference to Dragonforce). It creates emotion, it help the song evolve, it doesn't get boring, and makes the song the... (what is it, like 10 minute) epic that it is.

As for actually being able to play it, it's not THAT hard, it's just your fingers need a lot of stamina to play it, because you're playing guitar constantly for 10 minutes, and soloing for 5 or so, bending, hammer-ons and all that do take their toll eventually, which is why they have 3 guitarists play it I also find it amazing how they can write a 5 minute solo using little more than the major pentatonic scale, that's 5 notes and still it doesn't get boring at all.

So to answer your question, no it isn't hard, just long, so as long as your fingers have a ****load of stamina, you're sorted. But none of that matters, because it's renound for reasons beyond technicality, as I explained above.
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Ok, as a guitarist I'm constantly amazed by this, but it seems EVERYONE thinks Freebird is so hard. True, I love the song and everthing, but I just have to wonder the experience and skill of these guitarists because I could play Freebird 90% after playing guitar for only 2 years...and that other ten percent is not because it's too hard, it's because I don't have the patience to learn something note for note so I'll improv the little parts, but all the big pull off series and such I have down. Am I some sort of prodigy, or I'm I right in thinking that Freebird isn't REALLY that hard?



It may not be "that hard".... but it is "that great"..... and thats why its popular. Believe it or not some people judge music based on how it sounds, rather than on how hard it is to play.
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#18
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#19
lol I can play free bird after 2 years, so can everyone else danmit, get over yourself, it isn't that hard it's just good.
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it's not just because it's 'hard to play' that it's famous, it's cause it's a great solo, all solos aren't down to technicality, if you're relying to technicality alone to write music, you're in trouble (reference to Dragonforce). It creates emotion, it help the song evolve, it doesn't get boring, and makes the song the... (what is it, like 10 minute) epic that it is.

As for actually being able to play it, it's not THAT hard, it's just your fingers need a lot of stamina to play it, because you're playing guitar constantly for 10 minutes, and soloing for 5 or so, bending, hammer-ons and all that do take their toll eventually, which is why they have 3 guitarists play it I also find it amazing how they can write a 5 minute solo using little more than the major pentatonic scale, that's 5 notes and still it doesn't get boring at all.

So to answer your question, no it isn't hard, just long, so as long as your fingers have a ****load of stamina, you're sorted. But none of that matters, because it's renound for reasons beyond technicality, as I explained above.



I disagree, I find the solo very boring and annoying, although I do really like the rest of the song. The solo just makes me shut off the song it gets so obnoxious and repetitive.


Anyhow, to contribute to this TS, the amount of years doesn't matter, that song is pretty easy except the solo is way more difficult than the rest of the song.
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Your not a prodigy for playing someone elses song at 90%. Did you write it? Do you play it live and send emotion into thousands of fans? Do you even play it well?
The difficulty of a song does not = its greatness. You wonder the skill of these guitarists? Get over yourself buddy untill you write an awsome song of your own. Tons of people can play freebird better than you. Go make your own songs and stop bragging about playing someone elses and thinking that makes you a prodigy. Lets see a video of you playing it at 90% and well see how much of a prodigy you are. If difficulty = Greatness why do most people not give a **** about Malmsteen and Michael Angelo Batio? Theres a lot more to music than difficulty. I guess the beatles and bob dylan suck than becuase most of there stuff is very easy.


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#23
I think it appropriate to mention in this thread that...

The first movement of Beethoven's "Moonlight" sonata or Fur Elise isn't famous because they are difficult, on the contrary they are famous because the notes are "easy" (though no less difficult to play well than anything else in the world) and sound good even when played relatively poorly. Of course then there is music like the Scriabin Sonata's or Prokofiev Sonata's which are not only profound pieces of music and the musical equals of the aforementioned piece, but are also profoundly difficult to play. The performer must not only possess a super-virtuous technique but also a very complex and deep understanding of the music to clearly express the ideas in all their glory and frankly there aren't many musicians out there that "have it all."

Music that is both great AND difficult simply isn't popular. Even amongst the virtuoso etudes. For example, Chopin's op 10 no 12 "Revolutionary," or op 10 no 3 are very popular and often performed, not because they surpass the other pieces in that cycle in quality, but because they are amongst the easiest to play.
#24
Ok, first off, I never said the song wasn't great. I was just wondering if that many people really thought it was that hard.

But since it was brought up, I actually have written really good songs and some of them have cool guitar solos and some have none at all. I realize what it takes to make a song GOOD. I was questioning the difficulty.

And by the way, it's a minor Pentatonic Scale, even though they're actually the exact same thing. The major pentatonic scale is just the next mode of the minor pentatonic scale. But the song is in G, not Bb, so it would in fact be a minor.
#25
Lynyrd Skynyrd had some of the greatest guitarists ever imo. Collins and Gaines were 2 of the best. What makes them great is that they werent overly talented but they made up for it with emotion and pure genius.

What makes this solo so great like most of theres is that is is memorable, and never gets boring. I suggest looking deeper in there catalog and trying some more of there songs like I know a little and I Need You
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#26
Free Bird is a very boring solo. Basic, Pentatonic/Blues licks played fairly well over and over and over again for 4+ minutes. No invention or creativity. Lynyrd Skynyrd has much better songs than Freebird and Sweet Home Alabama, and much better solos.
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Free Bird is a very boring solo. Basic, Pentatonic/Blues licks played fairly well over and over and over again for 4+ minutes. No invention or creativity. Lynyrd Skynyrd has much better songs than Freebird and Sweet Home Alabama, and much better solos.


-1 say no to pentatonic hating The pentatonics have been used to create "creative" and genius guitar solos. Although maybe not technically difficult, I can guarantee that loads more people have heard, love, and appreciate more pentatonic based classic rock solos than some off the wall 457838959383 nps metal solos. But, what the hell do I know? Just my $0.02
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All the tapping, and sweeping, and metal nonsense is going straight to your heads.

Tapping originated outside of metal, and sweeping is a way that pick users can mimic a certain classical guitar technique that is essentially a fast p-i-m-a-m-i-p. It's not "metal nonsense", despite so many metal players who try to make it nonsense.
Back off a bit here, guys. He asked the question, but no need for you to berate him about it. He believed that some of the love for Freebird had to do with difficulty and was maybe looking for an innocent ego stroke. No reason to get all worked up.
#31
Freebird is genious because it shows that you dont need to use all 12 notes, you dont need it to be technical or difficult to play, and you dont need to play fast to create an awesome solo. By memory, he uses 1 fricken note (2 if you count the bend) in the his first phrase and it still sounds awesome.

It's not a hard song to play, its not even complex (as someone said, its mostly pentatonics), its the fact it was written by the devil of music himself.

The thing most people dont relise about music is, it doesnt need to be technical to sound good. Simple can sometimes be the best option.
#33
One of the things that musicians dont seem to understand is that some of
the most greatest songs in history were simple.

One night i was bored and started cutting an pasting song lyrics into microsoft
word and I learned that most of the greatest hits we've ever heard were graded
on 2nd to 5th grade level.

You dont need to be Buckethead to make a great song. You dont have to have
lyrics coded in insane enigmas either.

All you have to do is connect with the listeners. If music had to be difficult...
Punk and Funk would have been erased when they first hit the scene.
They both have their own gems...but they can be the simplest..yet...
most expressive.
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#34
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-1 say no to pentatonic hating The pentatonics have been used to create "creative" and genius guitar solos. Although maybe not technically difficult, I can guarantee that loads more people have heard, love, and appreciate more pentatonic based classic rock solos than some off the wall 457838959383 nps metal solos. But, what the hell do I know? Just my $0.02


I never said I hated the pentatonic. In fact, I love it.
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The greatness of the song isn't the talent required, it's how well it fits the song, it's also very famous for the improvisation done at concerts

That last part is very very wrong. The song was played the same way in concert as it was on the record.

And to the guy who said that the minor and major pentatonics were the same thing, NO NO NO NO!!! They are entirely different, so don't confuse them. And the song, as I remember, uses a combination of G major and minor pentatonics.

Anyways, it's a great solo because it's memorable and sounds good to the listener. If you take a group of 50 random people, I betting you that at least 45 of them could hum the opening melody of the solo. Also, I read somewhere that audiences like repetition; it's supposed to give them something to 'grab on to' amid all of the chaos that normally goes on within a rock band.
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#36
its an amazing solo and yeahh it sure aint easy, i mean theres harder but imagine how good shredding would sound in that song...itd sound stupid, the solo is almost note for note perfect....think bout hotel california solo too, its not hard, but its incredible
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And to the guy who said that the minor and major pentatonics were the same thing, NO NO NO NO!!! They are entirely different, so don't confuse them. And the song, as I remember, uses a combination of G major and minor pentatonics.


You're a darned fool.

E minor pentatonic scale is E, G, A, B, D. No arguments?

The G major pentatonic scale is G, A, B, D, E

Look at that...like I said, it's the same friggin' thing, just a different mode.
#38
minor pentatonic scale is R b3 4 5 b7
major pentatonic scale is R 2 3 5 6

Theyre not the same. That's it.
#39
Ok Mr-I-Know-Musical-Theory, please tell me when the NOTES aren't the same. You point out the intervals of the scales. Pick any pentatonics you want, when won't the notes match up like I pointed out. And if I'm wrong, I would honestly like to know. This is what happens when you're self taught haha
#40
They aren't the same. G major pentatonic may contain the same notes as E minor pentatonic but they are used under different circumstances and therefore are different.
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